HOF Snub

[DG]

Until Pete Rose is enshrined I have no interest in others who have been snubbed.

Gwynn and Ripken are great entries.

[DG]

Originally Posted by PWL

They have a special wing for him in Las Vegas in the Gamblers Hall of Fame. I have no use for Hit King myself. He knew the penalty. He finally stopped lieing. He should stop crying.

HOF for players is about how well they played. HOF for managers is about how well they managed.

[DG]

Originally Posted by PWL

Rose broke cardinal sin number one and two. No player shall bet on baseball. It is there in black and white and flashing neon light. Now the supposed steroid users are going to feel the wrath of the voters. One of the nicest guys in the game will probably wait many years to get in, if ever at all (Rafael Palmiero).

I don't see Rose ever getting in, unless he has a ticket. Even now he is not welcome around the game at all. I know people will say he should get in because of his numbers and how hard he played the game. But make no mistake, Rose was more concerned if he went four for four than if his team won the game.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/roseontrial.html#

You are ill advised. Do some research.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by DG

http://espn.go.com/mlb/roseontrial.html#

You are ill advised. Do some research.

That site is dated and inaccurate. Rose admitted on national television to ABC's Charles Gibson that he bet on baseball and he bet on his team.

They replayed those admissions this past week and will probably do so everytime the HOF ballots are mailed.

[DG]

Originally Posted by GarthB

That site is dated and inaccurate. Rose admitted on national television to ABC's Charles Gibson that he bet on baseball and he bet on his team.

Has he admitted to betting against his team?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by DG

Has he admitted to betting against his team?

I honestly don't know. I believe by the regulations, that is irrelevant.

Edited to add: Just in case this becomes an emotion filled debate on Rose's worthiness for the HOF, let me note, I don't care. I'm merely an observer. According to those who have seen the original investigation report and to his own public statements, he vlolated certain rules that carry a rather severe penalty. Whether or not that penalty is made to stick is for others to decide.

Again, I really don't care.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by DG

Has he admitted to betting against his team?

Let's say he only bet on his team to win.

The bookies will then look at the days he doesn't bet on his team to win, and suppose that Rose won't put in his best effort, or doesn't believe, given his inside information, his team will win. Do that in the stock market, and they call it insider trading and you go to jail. MLB has it's own penalty, and it's been imposed on Rose.

Back to original topic. There's a certain level of creme-de-la-creme to being a first ballot HoFer. So be it. The writers don't seem to like putting "also rans" in with the big guys. So next year, with no shoe-ins, the also rans will get their due. I guess that's how the game is played.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by PWL

I suppose it okay for umpires to bet on baseball even if they are not working the game they are betting on.

I don't think anyone said that it was right for Pete Rose to bet on baseball. He finally admitted to something that I'm quite sure he was ashamed of, and couldn't come to grips for years about. I think he was embarrassed that he had hurt the game, and struggled with the guilt. Until you have walked a mile in Pete's cleats, you don't know what he went through, or why it took him so long to come clean.

Pete Rose's statistics as a player warrant his inclusion into the Hall of Fame. Keeping him out because of something he did as a manager is unfair, IMO.

Gaylord Perry is in the HOF, and he cheated in baseball on a daily basis, and I don't see anybody squawking about that.