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[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Tim C

I think that Evans's feelings are quite interesting about a number of things:

1) He feels that the only people that can teach umpiring are professional umpires. In fact at all his clinics, classes and schools he makes fun of local trainers and calls them "Charlies" . . . all his instructor use the term freely also.

2) On more than one occasion Evans has intoned that "internet umpires" are a bunch of guys that cannot umpire and are basically "keyboard" umpires that couldn't work real games.

3) He feels that umpires not trained by professional umpires are hurting the game of baseball and the future of umpiring.

Of course there is no conflict of interest in his position.

Regards,

This is exactly why I have disdain for Evans, and why I wouldn't attend one of his camps, clinics, classics, or schools if you paid my way there and back. It is this kind of "elitist" (to borrow Ray-Ray's term) mentality which pisses me off. I am sure that the jock sniffers will take exception with my opinion, but I don't really care. People who believe themselves to be superior to others, are in fact quite inferior in many ways.

Harry is a much better teacher, IMO, anyway.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

This is exactly why I have disdain for Evans, and why I wouldn't attend one of his camps, clinics, classics, or schools if you paid my way there and back. It is this kind of "elitist" (to borrow Ray-Ray's term) mentality which pisses me off. I am sure that the jock sniffers will take exception with my opinion, but I don't really care. People who believe themselves to be superior to others, are in fact quite inferior in many ways.

Harry is a much better teacher, IMO, anyway.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion; however, I would hope that you haven't formed your opinion of Jim Evans solely, or even mostly, based on the kind of comments about him that have been made in this thread. Many of the statements I've read are not fully compatible with the Jim Evans I am familiar with. Some of his opinions and observations have been conveyed out of context, making him seem, as you say, elitist, which is just plain wrong. He has a dedication to excellence and a desire to share his knowledge that is the antithesis of elitist.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

Of course you're entitled to your opinion; however, I would hope that you haven't formed your opinion of Jim Evans solely, or even mostly, based on the kind of comments about him that have been made in this thread. Many of the statements I've read are not fully compatible with the Jim Evans I am familiar with. Some of his opinions and observations have been conveyed out of context, making him seem, as you say, elitist, which is just plain wrong. He has a dedication to excellence and a desire to share his knowledge that is the antithesis of elitist.

No, I didn't base it on the comments of this thread. These comments merely added to the perception I had already developed over the years. I have been listening to graduates of his school for years, most of whom couldn't umpire their way out of a pop can before attending the school. They come back as if they are now the cream of the crop all of a sudden, complete with chips on their shoulders, and high-and-mighty attitudes. Many of them start chuckin' coaches left and right, and always look for trouble.

I have learned a lot about umpiring from graduates of Harry's and Joe's over the years, but not much from Evans grads, as most I've seen just hold the fact that they are Evans grads over everybody's heads. Maybe it's different in other associations. This has just been my experience.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

Of course you're entitled to your opinion; however, I would hope that you haven't formed your opinion of Jim Evans solely, or even mostly, based on the kind of comments about him that have been made in this thread. Many of the statements I've read are not fully compatible with the Jim Evans I am familiar with. Some of his opinions and observations have been conveyed out of context, making him seem, as you say, elitist, which is just plain wrong. He has a dedication to excellence and a desire to share his knowledge that is the antithesis of elitist.

How are they "out of context" Dave?

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

How are they "out of context" Dave?

Well, for example, when he was bashing "internet umpires," he specifically excluded me.

[LLPA13UmpDan]

back to the navy bags part.... Those are black bags. so what. The look is even better then that of navy. Navy reminds me too much of softball- only. Black is acceptable, and ive seen more black then navy.

End of rant.

Thanks to those of you posting sensible comments.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

back to the navy bags part.... Those are black bags. so what. The look is even better then that of navy. Navy reminds me too much of softball- only. Black is acceptable, and ive seen more black then navy.

End of rant.

Thanks to those of you posting sensible comments.

Dan, too many of your responses to the criticism you've invited end in "so what." True, most of the comments are fairly cosmetic in nature, but that's all we really had to work with from the short video we were provided.

Do you look more professional than the stereotypical Little League Smitty? Yes. Could you look better by ditching the sweatbands and wearing the appropriate color ballbags (gray or navy with a navy shirt)? Yes, and that's what people are telling you. Quit arguing with them and say thanks for the feedback.

[LLPA13UmpDan]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

Dan, too many of your responses to the criticism you've invited end in "so what." True, most of the comments are fairly cosmetic in nature, but that's all we really had to work with from the short video we were provided.

Do you look more professional than the stereotypical Little League Smitty? Yes. Could you look better by ditching the sweatbands and wearing the appropriate color ballbags (gray or navy with a navy shirt)? Yes, and that's what people are telling you. Quit arguing with them and say thanks for the feedback.

Ok,

Thanks for the feedback to those who responded. but i will not change the ball bag part.

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

back to the navy bags part.... Those are black bags. so what. The look is even better then that of navy. Navy reminds me too much of softball- only. Black is acceptable, and ive seen more black then navy.

how does black bags with a navy shirt, look better than navy bags with a navy shirt?

[LLPA13UmpDan]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

how does black bags with a navy shirt, look better than navy bags with a navy shirt?

I never said it does.

I said i like black over navy. I have worn both. what is the big deal. NO ONE will care weather you are using gray, navy, or black ball bags. It is a personal decision by the umpire.