What would you do?

[DG]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Another point, the runner is not abandoning a base if he returns to it. If he gets back to the base before the defense can appeal, then he is safe. It is only abandonment when the runner gets to the dugout or DBT.

In FED you should call a BR out who has passed (acquired) 1B if you judge he is heading for the dugout or his defensive position with no intent to return.

[BigUmp56]

Under OBR this is an interpretation where Evans and Roder appear to disagree. Roder's claim is that you can call a runner out for abandonment as soon as you feel he's progressed a "reasonable distance" toward his dugout or defensive position while indicating no intent to reassert his status as a runner.

J/R

Any runner (including the batter-runner) is out when:

A runner who discontinues his advance or return to a base, progresses a reasonable distance toward his dugout or defensive position, and indicates no intent to reassert his status as a runner, has abandoned his effort to run the bases. The cause of his actions (e.g., ignorance or apathy) is irrelevant.


Evans says this:


Common sense dictates that the only logical reason a player would abandon 1st base after overrunning it would be because he thought he had been declared out by the umpire. The player should not be penalized for an umpire's improper signaling or incorrect mechanic. Therefore, the runner should not be automatically called out if he temporarily leaves the extended basepath. A player who leaves the infield area abandoning the base paths between 1st base and 3rd base may be declared out once he leaves fair territory. If a play is being made on him, however, he is subject to the guidelines established in 7.08(a.1)...he must be advancing toward a base and cannot go more than three feet out of his direct line to avoid a tag. A runner who leaves 3rd base for any reason is not out until he enters a dugout when no play is being made on him. He shall be declared out for abandoning the base paths if a play is being made on him and (1) he is not making a bona fide effort to reach home plate or return to 3rd; or (2) he runs more than three feet out of his direct line to avoid a tag. A batter-runner who inexplicably fails to return directly to 1st base after overrunning it shall not be called out before entering the dugout. If he failed to touch the base, he is subject to an appeal play. He can be retired by the defensive team either tagging him or the missed base and making a proper appeal. In trying to get back to 1st base after missing it, the batter-runner must make a legitimate effort to proceed directly to the base. Any circuitous or evasive running which the umpire determines not to be an immediate attempt to reach 1st base shall be grounds for declaring the batter-runner out.



Tim.

[Tim C]

I, for one, will always follow Evans AS Roder is a nobody that has just tried to steal Evans's research.

T

[Dave Hensley]

Wow.......

[DG]

Therefore, a good solid safe signal removes the only common sense reason BR would think he has been called out.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Tim C

I, for one, will always follow Evans AS Roder is a nobody that has just tried to steal Evans's research.

T

Tee:

It's my understanding that the WUA now referrs all rules questions to Rick Roder for clarification.


FWIW.

Tim.