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It's also possible that my information is old. I'll be asking about that,too. Might I inquire how recent your information regarding JEAPU and PBUC is?
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I'm just trying to envision a runner "sneaking" a steal of 2B or 3B while the plate umpire is brushing the plate, action was otherwise relaxed, and then just before ejecting the defensive coach your explanation is "yes, I was ***-to-field, but I never called time and my partner was still watching." You may think it's a "good thing" that you're allowing bases to be run, outs to be recorded - hey do you still call balks while brushing the plate, maybe using your brown eye? - but to me it's a practice that is simply an endorsement of bush league baseball. No thanks. |
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Since I know bobbybanaduck personally . . . since I trust his word completely . . . since I know that his sources to minor league baseball are very good . . . I accept what he says.
Chris my apology for getting on your butt. BTW, we will still train in our area (while we're not San Diego we have very good umpires) to ALWAYS call time when cleaning the plate. It is neither, in my opinon, inappropriate or game delaying. Regards, |
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I'm not arguing with bobbybanaduck but the guys here in the Eastern League all seem to stand to the side of the plate and wait for the action to subside, then the PU raises his hands, turns and cleans the plate. It may or not be a rule, no make that an understanding, but that's what I see most of them do. As for myself, either I call TIME to clean the plate or wait for a dead ball situation to do it.
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I know you are totally anal, Garth, but it really is unneccesary to call Time when cleaning the plate. Hensley, you might call games with your brown eye, butt the rest of us don't. I believe that the base umpire would call those balks, pickoffs, steals, or whatever else could possibly occur during the 5-10 seconds it takes to clean the plate. You people make it too hard. Tee, I realize that you are a member of a fine group of umpires, and I never meant to imply in any way that San Diego umpires were any better than any others. Umpires are umpires. If we all agreed on everything, it would sure be a boring forum.
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Let's face it...different associations teach different things. I'm sure there are other associations in my area (there are about a dozen) who teach the umpires to call Time when cleaning the plate.
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also, pbuc does not require the hok (hands on knees) set for pickoffs. it's taught at the schools to get everybody to look the same and to try to bang into the heads of the students the concept of being square to the play. back to the topic at hand of calling time to dust the dish... i do it if the situation warrants, and don't if it doesn't. imo, the act of turning my back on the field for 1.3 seconds is not enough to warrant me killing the ball. i have partners on the field watching what's going on. furthermore, i try not to clean the plate during live ball situations. wait for a foul ball, wait for time to be out already, whatever. this is not to say, however, that i won't call time if the thing gets completely covered and it's going to require more effort than a couple of quick sweeps. edited to fix typos and define hok. sorry steve. Last edited by bobbybanaduck; Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 05:04pm. |
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