Calling Time Out

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by GarthB

That's always a possibility, so I will be checking with them tomorrow.

It's also possible that my information is old. I'll be asking about that,too.

Might I inquire how recent your information regarding JEAPU and PBUC is?

as current as it gets, sir.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

true, the pver the shoulder peek is taught at the schools, and rewuired by pbuc, nut, only for the first year. once pbuc thinks you have a grasp of where the runners are, the tell you that you don't need to peek anymore.

also, pbuc does not require the hok set for pickoffs. it's taught at the schools to get everybody to look the same and to try to bang into the heads of the students the concept of being square to the play.

Bobby,

I managed to decipher the first three typos, but what on earth is a "hok" set. I don't get that one?

[Tim C]

HOK = Hands on Knees

[bobbybanaduck]

thanks, tim. typos edited.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

as current as it gets, sir.

You mention "partners." From that I assume you are working three man. Perhaps it was a mistake, but I have had two man mechanics in mind during this thread.

It's not that I doubt your credentials, but, I contacted a graduate from last year who said that they were told to call time when cleaning the plate in two man with runners on.

I note that the rookies at the local short season A games also call time when cleaning the plate with runners on. I am still awaiting word from the JEAPU office, however.

Perhaps this is one of those things that as one gains inexperience, he no longer feel the necessity to work as trained.

[bobbybanaduck]

wokring as trained meaning as trained at school? if that's the case, take note of jimmy's sidenote about the training given early and often at every clinic...don't work exactly like this when you get in the game or when you return home and work in your local association. the mechanics of the training at the schools serve specific purposes, which i touched on in an earlier post.

i guarantee you that nowhere in the course of the training are students taught to call time when cleaning the plate. the only time that cleaning the plate is touched on is at the beginning of the cage work session, and time is assumed to be out already as the drill has not begun yet.

no, you did not misread "partners," though i work the same in the 2 man system. the back to the infield argument was covered quite well a few posts back with the exapmple of nobody on BU goes out. PU takes BR into 2B. BU returns and assumes responsibility for BR at 2B. PU pivots out and returns to work, without calling time. same would hold true after a rotation to 3B. play ends with runner safe at 3B, PU pivots out and goes back to work. don't call time to unwind rotations.

[NFump]

Wow, four pages on something as trivial as whether or not to call time when cleaning the plate. Amazing. It's rivaling the five pages on ball bags. Simply awesome.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

wokring as trained meaning as trained at school? if that's the case, take note of jimmy's sidenote about the training given early and often at every clinic...don't work exactly like this when you get in the game or when you return home and work in your local association. the mechanics of the training at the schools serve specific purposes, which i touched on in an earlier post.

i guarantee you that nowhere in the course of the training are students taught to call time when cleaning the plate. the only time that cleaning the plate is touched on is at the beginning of the cage work session, and time is assumed to be out already as the drill has not begun yet.

no, you did not misread "partners," though i work the same in the 2 man system. the back to the infield argument was covered quite well a few posts back with the exapmple of nobody on BU goes out. PU takes BR into 2B. BU returns and assumes responsibility for BR at 2B. PU pivots out and returns to work, without calling time. same would hold true after a rotation to 3B. play ends with runner safe at 3B, PU pivots out and goes back to work. don't call time to unwind rotations.

My response from JEAPU came in.

Although it was once (some time ago) taught to call time when cleaning the plate, "there is now no uniform directive." The plate umpire should call time if he feels the need and not call time when he doesn't. Further, "If he feels the need, he shouldn't be cleaning the plate."

I stand updated, corrected and informed.

As to Jimmy's side note, as he tells it, it applies to certain things, not everything. There is much that is taught at both the five week and the classics that he would hope you take home.

Thanks for your help, bobby.....

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Tim C

HOK = Hands on Knees

Wow, I totally missed that one! Thanks.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

If you don't know of this umpire association, why don't you use some of your Mensa-level I.Q., and just Google SDCBUA to learn more about it. Your right, PBUC is probably not as prestigous. It certainly hasn't been in existence nearly as long, nor does it have the rich history that the SDCBUA has.

I know you are totally anal, Garth, but it really is unneccesary to call Time when cleaning the plate.

Hensley, you might call games with your brown eye, butt the rest of us don't. I believe that the base umpire would call those balks, pickoffs, steals, or whatever else could possibly occur during the 5-10 seconds it takes to clean the plate.

You people make it too hard.

Tee, I realize that you are a member of a fine group of umpires, and I never meant to imply in any way that San Diego umpires were any better than any others. Umpires are umpires.

If we all agreed on everything, it would sure be a boring forum.

Chill Steve. Save the name calling for one of your other sites.

I didn't take the time to investigate the SDCBUA, because it didn't interest me and was not germane to the issue. Now that I know it is simply a local association, it is of even less interest.

I really don't care if you or anyone calls time or not. I never put down anyone for doing it one way or another. My participation in this thread was prompted by my memories of training and my interest in getting the correct information, which, if you have read my immediate previous post, you will see that thanks to Bobby and JEAPU I now have.

That is the where my curiousity lies, Steve, in finding the correct answer, whether I had it previously or not. Not in the history of a local association. I don't mind having been incorrect, if I can find out what is right

Enjoy your evening.

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by GarthB

My response from JEAPU came in.

Although it was once (some time ago) taught to call time when cleaning the plate, "there is now no uniform directive." The plate umpire should call time if he feels the need and not call time when he doesn't. Further, "If he feels the need, he shouldn't be cleaning the plate."

I stand updated, corrected and informed.

As to Jimmy's side note, as he tells it, it applies to certain things, not everything. There is much that is taught at both the five week and the classics that he would hope you take home.

Thanks for your help, bobby.....

i didn't say not to take things home with you. this is why one attends such schools or clinics; to get better. i said that he urges students not to work EXACTLY like they are taught at school, read: like a robot. i couldn't tell if the thanks was sincere or sarcastic due to the trailing off..... if it was sincere, then you're welcome. if it was the latter, then i stick my tongue out at you. have a nice day.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Chill Steve. Save the name calling for one of your other sites.

I didn't take the time to investigate the SDCBUA, because it didn't interest me and was not germane to the issue. Now that I know it is simply a local association, it is of even less interest.

I really don't care if you or anyone calls time or not. I never put down anyone for doing it one way or another. My participation in this thread was prompted by my memories of training and my interest in getting the correct information, which, if you have read my immediate previous post, you will see that thanks to Bobby and JEAPU I now have.

That is the where my curiousity lies, Steve, in finding the correct answer, whether I had it previously or not. Not in the history of a local association. I don't mind having been incorrect, if I can find out what is right

Enjoy your evening.

Well, the way you dismissed it by saying, "whatever the hell that is," indicated an arrogance on your part. I felt that perhaps if you were to take the time to find out what it was (how hard could it be to figure out, BTW? Let's see...S, uh, D, uh... oh the BUA, gee that's a toughie!) you wouldn't have said what you did.

I didn't call you names. Anal is short for anal-retentive, which is a bonafide personality trait, not a nickname. You are anal-retentive, based on all the posts I've read from you. I know your type very well, having dealt with many others just like you. And what other sites are you referring to? I only go on ABUA and Umptalk, and name calling is frowned on there as well.

I only mentioned my association to explain for people like Justme that I was speaking of a specific group of people when I said "we." I didn't want to appear as speaking for all umpires everywhere.

[Justme]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I only mentioned my association to explain for people like Justme that I was speaking of a specific group of people when I said "we." I didn't want to appear as speaking for all umpires everywhere.

What do you mean by "people like Justme?"

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Justme

What do you mean by "people like Justme?"

Originally Posted by D-Man

WE are TOLD not to call "Time" to brush the plate.

Originally Posted by Justme

We? Not me, no one told me. I must have been absent that day.

That's what I meant by that. You knew D-Man meant his association, but you went ahead and tried to be funny (not exactly your forte) with your response. I didn't want you reply in the same manner when I used "we" to indicate a specific group of people.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Hensley, you might call games with your brown eye, butt the rest of us don't.

Sigh. Ok.

I know you are but what am I?