"Official" unofficial LL World Series Thread

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

It looks like Oregon is trying to give the game away here! High drama!!!

The comeback kids are done...

[SanDiegoSteve]

Now the Illinois kids can blame the 1st base umpire for losing the game for them.

[seioaump]

First Base Umpire

Yeah, the Illinois team can blame the game on the first base umpire...

That call did have an effect on the game. I think we could all agree!

If he'd have made the proper call (safe), a run would have scored on the batter who was hit in the head. Another would have scored on the past ball.

That would have tied it and shifted the momentum for sure!

What else would you expect from these umpires.

Did you see where the CEO of Little League Baseball was in the booth with the ESPN crew and they said something about the umpires and the CEO (Steve) says that these are the best umpires that Little League has to offer.

We, umpires, know that is not the truth. To the public though, what might they think when they hear that, then see these guys and gal constantly missing calls.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by seioaump

If he'd have made the proper call (safe), a run would have scored on the batter who was hit in the head. Another would have scored on the past ball.

Once again U1 is taking plays at first from the 'A' postion in foul ground...

Did anyone see U1 give the batter who got hit in the head a high five and a pat on the back when he got down to first base?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by seioaump

First Base Umpire

Yeah, the Illinois team can blame the game on the first base umpire...

That call did have an effect on the game. I think we could all agree!

If he'd have made the proper call (safe), a run would have scored on the batter who was hit in the head. Another would have scored on the past ball.

That would have tied it and shifted the momentum for sure!

If "ifs and buts were candy and nuts....". The deal is, Illinois had more opportunities to score throughout the game, which they did not take advantage of. No one call "cost them the game." The catcher could have blocked the plate better an applied the tag a split-second earlier on the squeeze bunt, and that would have saved a run. The team made mistakes, even more than that umpire, believe it or not.

I called that runner at 1st safe in live action, and the replay showed that safe would have been the right call. But the umpire missed it, and that's the breaks. Many times calls have an effect on the game, but very rarely, if ever, is that one call the reason a team wins or loses a game.

Can I get an amen from the Bobbleheads?

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

If "ifs and buts were candy and nuts....". The deal is, Illinois had more opportunities to score throughout the game, which they did not take advantage of. No one call "cost them the game." The catcher could have blocked the plate better an applied the tag a split-second earlier on the squeeze bunt, and that would have saved a run. The team made mistakes, even more than that umpire, believe it or not.

I called that runner at 1st safe in live action, and the replay showed that safe would have been the right call. But the umpire missed it, and that's the breaks. Many times calls have an effect on the game, but very rarely, if ever, is that one call the reason a team wins or loses a game.

I had an out in live action, thinking U1 nailed it. Replay contradicted me, but it was very close, and something of a squirrel because of F3's leap.

Call me crazy, but I think the fact that Illinois had no hits, zero, nada, none, in six innings of play had SOMETHING to do with their ending up on the short end. Bad calls are part of the game. It's a simple game, but "you hit the ball" is a third of it.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I called that runner at 1st safe in live action, and the replay showed that safe would have been the right call.

I said, "Damn, that was close." That's one that could've gone either way... tough call, but he sold it.... actually he sold them all so did he really sell any of them?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Yeah, he sold the last out of the game, when the runner was out by 3 steps. So, what is the use of selling any calls if you use your banger call on the routine plays?

[ctblu40]

I don't think he sold any... if he were to sell a call I think the mechanic would start with a front flip...

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Now the Illinois kids can blame the 1st base umpire for losing the game for them.

Close play, but on replay looks like he booted it. Question, would you toss the B/R for throwing his helmet afterwards?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Close play, but on replay looks like he booted it. Question, would you toss the B/R for throwing his helmet afterwards?

Yes, in this case the B/R was throwing his helmet is protest of the umpire's call. He should have been ejected.

However, just a while ago, Chris Guccione threw out Julio Lugo of the LA Dodgers for throwing his helmet after being called out at first, but it was crystal clear that Lugo was mad at himself for stranding the runner at first with a ground ball to F5. He was not reacting to the call. 1st base coach Mariano Duncan tried to reason with Guccione, and things got heated up.

Now what just happened is Rick Reed tossed Dodger manager Grady Little for arguing that it wasn't two trips to the mound when they came out to check on Brad Penny's ankle. Little never made it an injury visit, he just came out to the mound. Then he came out to talk to Penny after a ball four call went against him. Reed consulted with the whole crew. They determined that it was the 2nd trip, so Penny was going to be removed. Reed discussed it with Little, who eventually said the magic words and was tossed. Then he went to the mound to break the news to Penny, who went ballistic on Reed. Ted Barrett had to escort a restrained Penny off the field. Of course, the Padres broadcasters lambasted Barrett for "chasing Penny off the field, and jawing with him." Matt Vasgersian and Tony Gwynn. Gwynn's "rat" mentality and Vasgersian's disdain for umpires clearly showing through.

Guccione's ejection, not a good one. Reed showed quite a bit of restraint with Little before ejecting him. Penny was just ridiculous...had to go! (Actually removed as pitcher, then tossed!)

Stupid Vasgersian is still mouthing off about it, 10 minutes later. He doesn't know a thing about umpiring, but is now passing himself off as an expert on the subject.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes, in this case the B/R was throwing his helmet is protest of the umpire's call. He should have been ejected.

However, just a while ago, Chris Guccione threw out Julian Lugo of the LA Dodgers for throwing his helmet after being called out at first, but it was crystal clear that Lugo was mad at himself for stranding the runner at first with a ground ball to F5. He was not reacting to the call. 1st base coach Mariano Duncan tried to reason with Guccione, and things got heated up.

Now what just happened is Rick Reed tossed Dodger manager Grady Little for arguing that it wasn't two trips to the mound when they came out to check on Brad Penny's ankle. Little never made it an injury visit, he just came out to the mound. Then he came out to talk to Penny after a ball four call went against him. Reed consulted with the whole crew. They determined that it was the 2nd trip, so Penny was going to be removed. Reed discussed it with Little, who eventually said the magic words and was tossed. Then he went to the mound to break the news to Penny, who went ballistic on Reed. Ted Barrett had to escort a restrained Penny off the field. Of course, the Padres broadcasters lambasted Barrett for "chasing Penny off the field, and jawing with him." Matt Vasgersian and Tony Gwynn. Gwynn's "rat" mentality and Vasgersian's disdain for umpires clearly showing through.

Guccione's ejection, not a good one. Reed showed quite a bit of restraint with Little before ejecting him. Penny was just ridiculous...had to go! (Actually removed as pitcher, then tossed!)

Stupid Vasgersian is still mouthing off about it, 10 minutes later. He doesn't know a thing about umpiring, but is now passing himself off as an expert on the subject.

Here is an update and correction for the above post:

It was not the injury visit to Penny which was in dispute. Apparently that was a legitimate, umpire sanctioned free visit. The 2nd trip occurrd when Grady Little went out for his 1st real trip after a close pitch by Penny was called Ball 4. During his visit, he left the mound and walked into the home plate area to discuss the strike zone with Rick Reed (not a very wise move).

He then went back to the mound to talk further with members of the offense. Padre Skippy Bruce Bochy came out and had a nice friendly visit with Reed, in which he convinced Reed that Little just had 2 trips, since he left the mound to talk to Reed. Reed then consulted with the crew, who agreed with Bochy too, so they charged Little for 2 trips for leaving the mound and returning. The rest of the story is the same. Isn't baseball fun???

[PWL]

I do believe throwing a helmet in a situation like this is an automatic ejection. It doesn't matter who he was mad at.

That's no way to talk about your almost team mate Tony Gwynn, calling him a rat...........I'm sure he will be a first ballot HOF inductee, if he hasn't already been enshrined. I don't know if he is eligible yet.

[SanDiegoSteve]

I was never as good as you at baseball, Mike Piazza, Jr. How's that cannon arm?

A rat is a rat is a rat. He's just a first ballot Hall Of Fame rat, that's all. He was my favorite Padre, but a rat none the less.

No, Major Leaguers throw their helmets down on the ground when they stop 20 ft. past 1st base all the time, and they don't get tossed for it, unless they show hostility for the umpire's call. Are you saying you've never had someone throw their helmet down in ANY of your games?

[LMan]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Close play, but on replay looks like he booted it. Question, would you toss the B/R for throwing his helmet afterwards?

In live action, that's close enough for an 'out'...I have no problem with the call either way. I can't bang on U1 for that (unusual) call, no matter how many times Mush-burger does it.

Besides, Karros SAID in an earlier game, "if it's a good defensive play, the ump is going to call the out." Who am I to argue with a former Major Leaguer?


I watched the game end to end, and thought overall the umpiring was decent. PU's zone was certainly better than some other games...he had a GREAT call on the ball-hit-the-bat-knob-foul ball (didn't give it to the batter despite his whining)....I thought he did a pretty good job. If all LLWS umpiring were to that level I wouldn't fuss (much )


Fortunately, U2 did not factor into any important calls.