Bunt fair or foul revisited ! !

[Rich Ives]

I can deal with the "looked foul" concept on a moving ball. Carl makes the same point. That's how it's going to be called. It's real world. Also, any coach will view the call as correct or incorrrect based solely on whether it's to his adavantage and half the people in the park will be on your case no matter what. And as others have pointed out, the ball is far, far away and the touch is too fast to get a perfect look anyhow.


So let's lighten up, there's no game in progress, no real call to be made, and get back to the "let's get technical 'cause it's fun" part of the program . . .

R1 - batter lays one down the 3B line - R1 sees the ball there so he stops at 2B - BR stops at first - the ball stops a foot short of the bag in the contested position - F5 just stands looking at the ball - all action has ceased - call will not affect an outcome - U1 (his call to the base) comes up, takes a good look, and calls ????

[GarthB]

Would you answer a hypothetical question if I asked one?

I think I gave him the same answer I have for your "condition wrapped" play, and that is: " "

Seriously, though, I prefer not to engage in technicalities for the sake of technicalities. Baseball, even with third world plays, exists in a real world with real time.

Presented with your scenario, and assuming that a fielder did not glove the ball to make it appear even more foul, which I believe is far more likely than F5 standing around picking his nose, I would as PU NOT walk up to study the ball, I would take several steps make my decision based on the position of the ball, and yell foul ball real loud as soon as it stopped moving.

Any round object that is factually 70% in foul territory is going to appear 100% in foul territory in the real world.

[Bfair]

Originally posted by Rich Ives
So let's lighten up, there's no game in progress, no real call to be made, and get back to the "let's get technical 'cause it's fun" part of the program . . .

R1 - batter lays one down the 3B line - R1 sees the ball there so he stops at 2B - BR stops at first - the ball stops a foot short of the bag in the contested position - F5 just stands looking at the ball - all action has ceased - call will not affect an outcome - U1 (his call to the base) comes up, takes a good look, and calls ????

Hmmmmmmm....we know.....

.....if he calls foul....the defense picks up the ball and the game continues with little issue, but

.....if he calls fair....the defense leaves the ball untouched on the spot as they continue to argue.

Right???

Just my opinion,

Freix

[Rog]

If a one hopper is fielded in front of either 1st or 3rd and near the line, then fair/foul is based on the position of the ball relative to the foul line when first touched, i.e. any portion of the ball over the line is a fair ball.

So, how is a ball which stops with a minute portion over but not touching the foul line ruled any differently?

[GarthB]

all in perception. Our perception of the ball rules our judgment.

Some have decided to take this issue to what I consider an absurd direction and would have us kneel down, bring out scientific instruments and measure precisely the position of the ball.

My point is and has been, and there are vision studies that confirm, when an orb object, say a baseball, is sitting 70 percent in a specific location, it will appear to the human eye, at most distances, to be entirely in that position. Thus a ball 70% fould will APPEAR to the normal umpire to be entirely foul whether on the ground or caught in the air above the basepath.

Both in the exercise of this thread and your example, most umpires, in real games, in real time, would yell foul. That is my point.


Good to hear from you. How are the Redwings doing this season?

[Rog]

I just noticed Bfair's post -

re: "Hmmmmmmm....we know.....
.....if he calls foul....the defense picks up the ball and the game continues with little issue, but
.....if he calls fair....the defense leaves the ball untouched on the spot as they continue to argue.
Right???"

To which I have to comment: If the umpire "calls fair", should they be shot in dispair?

Now, on to the subject of AAA ball and an alleged baseball team, namely the Rochester Red Wings. How are they doing, you ask. Well now, does the expression "they suck big time this year" ring any bells. But then, I guess they could be worse; after all, they are only "THIRTY" games out of 1st place!!!!!!!!!!

As to the foul call - whatever the umpire happens to believe the call to be, make it and live with it (so long as it is close and Ray Charles isn't disputing it).

[whiskers_ump]

Originally posted by Rog



As to the foul call - whatever the umpire happens to believe the call to be, make it and live with it (so long as it is close and Ray Charles isn't disputing it). [/B]

GOOD CALL Rog,

However, I believe Stevie (Wonder) had a better
view than Ray.

Thirty???Does not sound so bad, unless you have
less than thirty left in the season, then you
are in trouble.

glen