Little league question

[sj]

Thanks Bob. Obviously it must be acceptable. It's just that it's something I don't think could ever happen in a basketball or football game. You have your on site refs/umps and site managers and their decision stands and that's it. It sounds like Venezuela has issued a formal protest. So they've stopped the game until it's resolved. It's something about leaving the game as a pitcher and then re-entering as a pitcher.

By the way do you think Gary is ever going to get the other board up again?

[sj]

After about a 25 minute delay they ruled in favor of Tulsa.

This is pretty funny. When they resumed Venuzuela had a runner on first. Tulsa pulled a hidden ball trick and tagged the runner out at first before any pitches were thrown.

I guess that's a good way to stick it to them for the delay.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by sj

After about a 25 minute delay they ruled in favor of Tulsa.

This is pretty funny. When they resumed Venuzuela had a runner on first. Tulsa pulled a hidden ball trick and tagged the runner out at first before any pitches were thrown.

I guess that's a good way to stick it to them for the delay.

That would be pretty hard to do, although possible if there was an intervening pickoff attempt or something like that.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by sj

After about a 25 minute delay they ruled in favor of Tulsa.

This is pretty funny. When they resumed Venuzuela had a runner on first. Tulsa pulled a hidden ball trick and tagged the runner out at first before any pitches were thrown.

I guess that's a good way to stick it to them for the delay.

WHAT?

Did the umpire start play without the ball in the pitcher's hand?

And why did the runner step off at all in LL?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

WHAT?

Did the umpire start play without the ball in the pitcher's hand?

And why did the runner step off at all in LL?

I think this is the Senior League World Series, and if this is the case, the umpires screwed the pooch by putting it in play without the pitcher having the ball.

The umpiring doesn't improve at the higher level, unfortunately.

[CJN]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

WHAT?

Did the umpire start play without the ball in the pitcher's hand?

And why did the runner step off at all in LL?

This is the Senior League(15-16) World Series, not Little League Majors that is on TV.

[sj]

I'm not sure of the answers to your questions. I was listening to it on the radio over the internet and may have missed a detail or two. But I'll ask them first chance I get and let you know. For al I know I may have posted it wrong. They did however pull it off somehow.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by sj

After about a 25 minute delay they ruled in favor of Tulsa.

This is pretty funny. When they resumed Venuzuela had a runner on first. Tulsa pulled a hidden ball trick and tagged the runner out at first before any pitches were thrown.

I guess that's a good way to stick it to them for the delay.

In two words, IM POSSIBLE. The ball cannot be put back into play until the pitcher has the ball in his possession and ready to pitch, the catcher is in position to receive the pitch, and the batter is in the box. If the umpires allowed a hidden ball trick, they need more schooling.

Bob

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

In two words, IM POSSIBLE. The ball cannot be put back into play until the pitcher has the ball in his possession and ready to pitch, the catcher is in position to receive the pitch, and the batter is in the box. If the umpires allowed a hidden ball trick, they need more schooling.

Bob

After time has been called it is not impossible for a hidden ball play to be done before any pitches are thrown. It is very possible that the ball was made live correctly before the play.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by LDUB

After time has been called it is not impossible for a hidden ball play to be done before any pitches are thrown. It is very possible that the ball was made live correctly before the play.

Please elaborate, I would love to learn something new. How do you make the ball live again legally if the first baseman is hiding it in his glove?

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Please elaborate, I would love to learn something new. How do you make the ball live again legally if the first baseman is hiding it in his glove?

Who said the pitcher never had the ball?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Please elaborate, I would love to learn something new. How do you make the ball live again legally if the first baseman is hiding it in his glove?

Umpire says PLAY. Pickoff to first. Ball never returned to the pitcher as pitcher pretends to tie shoe. Runner leads. Out.

Where's the pitch?

Not IM POSSIBLE.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Absolutely. Of course. But since sj was unclear of the details, several of us rushed to judgment in thinking F3 had the ball when play resumed. I guess I'll have to read an article on the game to find out what happened.

[DG]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Umpire says PLAY. Pickoff to first. Ball never returned to the pitcher as pitcher pretends to tie shoe. Runner leads. Out.

Where's the pitch?

Not IM POSSIBLE.

This is not a hidden ball trick after a 25 minute dead ball delay. This is a hidden ball trick after a ball made live and a throwover, which if this happened was not well explained.

No need for pitch if this is what happened.

It IS impossible to have a hidden ball trick immediately after a dead ball. A hidden ball trick after a legal throwover is not immediately after a dead ball.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Umpire says PLAY. Pickoff to first. Ball never returned to the pitcher as pitcher pretends to tie shoe. Runner leads. Out.

Where's the pitch?

Not IM POSSIBLE.

The way the original post was worded, the ball was put in play (illegally) with F3 holding the ball. No one said there had to be a pitch. If all elements are present, and the PU says, "Play ball", the ball becomes live. If F1 is on the mound when he ties his shoe, "BALK".

Bob