Would you?

[mattmets]

I'm calling it. In Legion ball, pitcher has to know how to step off. This is almost as ridiculous as the kid not knowing he can't go to the mouth on the rubber. If he needed to wipe his hands, he shouldn't have come set. Good balk.

[ctblu40]

Personally, I think it would depend on the speed of this movement:
A quick movement- I call it.
A slow movement- I let this one slide but am sure to point out this mistake to the skipper.

If F1 is checking on R1, do you call a balk for any movement of his shoulders no matter how small or slow? If it's slow and only noticable to me 'cause I'm looking, I let that go as well.

JMO

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by ctblu40

Personally, I think it would depend on the speed of this movement:
A quick movement- I call it.
A slow movement- I let this one slide but am sure to point out this mistake to the skipper.

If F1 is checking on R1, do you call a balk for any movement of his shoulders no matter how small or slow? If it's slow and only noticable to me 'cause I'm looking, I let that go as well.

JMO

It shouldn't matter to you how quickly he removed his hand from the ball. This is AML we're talking about, not LL juniors Fall development ball. Matt has the right idea. They know better at this level, or at least they should.


I was of the same opinion about a slow and deliberate shoulder turn not being called until just recently. SDS posted a cite from Mike Fitzpatrick that convinced me any movement of the shoulder after coming set is to be called a balk.


Tim.

[UmpJM]

bossman,

As described, it's certainly a balk.

If you call it on MY pitcher, I'm not going to complain. (I'm not going to like it very much, but it's MY fault, not yours.)

If you DON'T call it on THEIR pitcher, I'm not going to complain either. (I don't think my team was disadvantaged.)

If you DO call it on my pitcher and then DON'T call something equally "nit-picky" on their pitcher, then we've got a problem.

JMO.

JM

[Justme]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

bossman,

As described, it's certainly a balk.

If you call it on MY pitcher, I'm not going to complain. (I'm not going to like it very much, but it's MY fault, not yours.)

If you DON'T call it on THEIR pitcher, I'm not going to complain either. (I don't think my team was disadvantaged.)

If you DO call it on my pitcher and then DON'T call something equally "nit-picky" on their pitcher, then we've got a problem.

JMO.

JM

So you are saying that while it's "certainly a balk" it's "nit-picky"? Didn't sound nit-picky to me.....poor coaching maybe but not nit-picky umpiring.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by Justme

So you are saying that while it's "certainly a balk" it's "nit-picky"? Didn't sound nit-picky to me.....poor coaching maybe but not nit-picky umpiring.

Although in JM's defense, it WOULD be nit picky for the age group that JM coaches (Pony league).

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ctblu40

If F1 is checking on R1, do you call a balk for any movement of his shoulders no matter how small or slow? If it's slow and only noticable to me 'cause I'm looking, I let that go as well.

Yes, After coming set, any turning of the shoulders, fast or slow, is a balk. Now, if the pitcher is just turning his head and neck, and the shoulder happens to move slightly as a direct result of the head turn, all at the same moment, and not a deliberate shoulder turn, I will not call a balk for this movement alone. It should be called for a deliberate shoulder turn though.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes, After coming set, any turning of the shoulders, fast or slow, is a balk. Now, if the pitcher is just turning his head and neck, and the shoulder happens to move slightly as a direct result of the head turn, all at the same moment, and not a deliberate shoulder turn, I will not call a balk for this movement alone. It should be called for a deliberate shoulder turn though.

This is what I was trying to explain earlier... I'm not calling this a balk. Honestly, if an umpire were to call every little movement of the shoulders or twitch of the glove in the set position a balk, the game would quickly turn into 'Balkball' and not 'Baseball'.

Deliberate movement is a balk everytime.