Yankees/Mets Umpiring Crew

[DG]

And what do we think about the rotation early in the game when U1 goes out on a fly ball to F8, Giambi (R1) was half way to 2B and has to dive back into 1B on the throw and is called out by U2 on the throw from F8? U1 was in RCF. U2 seemed to be closer to deep C and moved toward 1B to make the call but was still a long way from 1B.

Joe Morgan kept saying U2 should have gone out so U1 could stay at 1B for the call, but what does he know? I don't recall ever going out from the infield when I was working U2.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by DG

And what do we think about the rotation early in the game when U1 goes out on a fly ball to F8, Giambi (R1) was half way to 2B and has to dive back into 1B on the throw and is called out by U2 on the throw from F8? U1 was in RCF. U2 seemed to be closer to deep C and moved toward 1B to make the call but was still a long way from 1B.

Joe Morgan kept saying U2 should have gone out so U1 could stay at 1B for the call, but what does he know? I don't recall ever going out from the infield when I was working U2.

Especially with a tag up from 2nd...

4 man system does give some things up. Thats one of them. Torre can't be too mad because Giambi made an idiot play to begin with.

Good game management by Tim C. after that Arod homer. Stepped in really quick to send the Yanks to their dugout before anything got out of hand.

[ToGreySt]

I was under the impression that crews stayed together all season long, how do the assignments work? are crew chiefs normally assigned to work together?

just curious

joe

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Good game management by Tim C. after that Arod homer.

Wow, Tee finally got the call? Alright!!!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by DG

Joe Morgan kept saying U2 should have gone out so U1 could stay at 1B for the call, but what does he know? I don't recall ever going out from the infield when I was working U2.

The only mechanic Joe Morgan knows is Mr. Goodwrench.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by DG

And what do we think about the rotation early in the game when U1 goes out on a fly ball to F8, Giambi (R1) was half way to 2B and has to dive back into 1B on the throw and is called out by U2 on the throw from F8? U1 was in RCF. U2 seemed to be closer to deep C and moved toward 1B to make the call but was still a long way from 1B.

Joe Morgan kept saying U2 should have gone out so U1 could stay at 1B for the call, but what does he know? I don't recall ever going out from the infield when I was working U2.

Had a play like this at PNC Park yesterday. R1 only, fly to the gap in right, U1 (Reliford) goes out, PU (Gibson) comes up the line to see the runner back into 1B.

In your sitch, were there RSP? That would explain why PU could not come up the line. It would also explain why U2 was in deep C - if you have R2 tagging up, he wants to see it.

[bob jenkins]

Teh CCA mecahnics have UIC take teh play back at frist if there's only an R1.

If there's R1, R2, then U2 has all plays at first and second, U3 has all plays at third, UIC has R1 tag up at first and any plays at home

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Teh CCA mecahnics have UIC take teh play back at frist if there's only an R1.

If there's R1, R2, then U2 has all plays at first and second, U3 has all plays at third, UIC has R1 tag up at first and any plays at home

Indeed, Bob. In the play at issue here, there were runners on first and second with one out. Morgan first said the PU should come up to first, then he said that the 2B umpire should have gone out.

Uh huh.

[SanDiegoSteve]

And all the umpires know that the 2nd base umpire does not cross the baseline, just as in 2-man mechanics.

[mattmets]

Originally Posted by DG

And what do we think about the rotation early in the game when U1 goes out on a fly ball to F8, Giambi (R1) was half way to 2B and has to dive back into 1B on the throw and is called out by U2 on the throw from F8? U1 was in RCF. U2 seemed to be closer to deep C and moved toward 1B to make the call but was still a long way from 1B.

Joe Morgan kept saying U2 should have gone out so U1 could stay at 1B for the call, but what does he know? I don't recall ever going out from the infield when I was working U2.

I thought the rotation looked right with RISP, but U2 was out of position (at a bad angle) to see the play really clearly. U3 and PU can't go anywhere with the RSIP. These guys rotated absolutely correctly, IMO.

Joe Morgan is an absolute idiot. By trying to explain the rotation he proved, once again, that he is the worst broadcaster in sports. That, plus his and his idiot partner's constant non-waiting for Tim McClelland to call balls and strikes (knowing that for 25 years Tim is very deliberate behind the plate) absolutely killed me.

[Peruvian]

Originally Posted by mattmets

I thought the rotation looked right with RISP, but U2 was out of position (at a bad angle) to see the play really clearly. U3 and PU can't go anywhere with the RSIP. These guys rotated absolutely correctly, IMO.

According to the PBUC manual, they rotated correctly.

Yeah, U2 was a little out of position...however, I couldn't scream loud enough at Joe Morgan at how stupid he is in his knowledge of umpiring.

[DG]

I am pretty sure there was an R2 also, in which case U2 has the tagup so if U1 goes out, PU should move up the line to 1B. U3 can't help because he may have a play at 3B.

I don't understand why U1 went out, on a liner to CF.

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by DG

I am pretty sure there was an R2 also, in which case U2 has the tagup so if U1 goes out, PU should move up the line to 1B. U3 can't help because he may have a play at 3B.

I don't understand why U1 went out, on a liner to CF.

PU should NOT move up the line, as was covered in previous posts in the thread. with runners in scoring position he's staying put at the plate. and what's not to understand about U1 going out? F8 showed U1 his chest when he turned to go back on the ball sending U1 out on the play. pretty straightforward...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by DG

I am pretty sure there was an R2 also, in which case U2 has the tagup so if U1 goes out, PU should move up the line to 1B. U3 can't help because he may have a play at 3B.

I don't understand why U1 went out, on a liner to CF.

U2 is inside. So one of the wings HAS to go out. Either U1 or U3 will go out and U1 did. Straight up 4-man mechanics.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

U2 is inside. So one of the wings HAS to go out. Either U1 or U3 will go out and U1 did. Straight up 4-man mechanics.

I'm unfamiliar with 4 man mechanics, but even I knew Morgan was an idiot.

Quick question. Lets say ball hit to right center. U3 goes out, U2 lines up retoutch PU rotates to third and U1 back into home?

Is that correct?

Thanks