Worst Coach Tirade Ever?

[BlueLawyer]

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

Next topic: Mikulik was fined $1,000 and suspended 7 games. He is not in AAA so don't compare the two. He is a hot head, but all of the MiLB woes for the first four weeks were aimed at the repacements - even Delmon Young's idiotic behavior. You can't have it both ways...if you blame the umpires then, you have to do the same now.

WWTB: Are you suggesting that this punishment is appropriate for Mikulik? Are you saying that what Young got vis-a-vis what Mikulik got is equitable based on (a) Young's physical assault with throwing the bat and (b) the fact that Mikulik's tirade happened in A ball as opposed to AAA, where Young's happened?

If that is indeed your position, I respectfully dissent.

I didn't blame the replacement umpire for Delmond Young throwing a bat at him, by the way. I blamed Delmond Young. I think MiLB took appropriate action in his case.

I do not believe they punished Mikulik nearly enough. A grand and 7 days? Are you kidding me? And if one chooses to bring the old "AMLU-vs.-replacements" into this debate, here's the simple message MiLB just sent: we had the back of the replacements; we'll leave the AMLU guys twisting in the wind.

That's bad for umpires, bad for the Minor Leagues and ultimately, bad for baseball.

Strikes and outs!

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by BlueLawyer

I do not believe they punished Mikulik nearly enough. A grand and 7 days? Are you kidding me?

Forgive my ignorance, but how much does a minor league manager make? I read somewhere that they average $35,000 a year, though that data may be outdated. I would assume single-A managers would make below the average. So a grand might be a strong percentage of Mikulik's salary.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

Forgive my ignorance, but how much does a minor league manager make? I read somewhere that they average $35,000 a year,

But is that for 5 months, or all year? What's the per deim? Are their uniform furnished? Do they have other jobs? Medical? Group plans?

[dontcallmeblue]

Here's the bottom line guys. The argument was 1 on 1. Until contact occurs or somebody else gets involved, arguments stay that way and the partner will not get involved. He'll let his partner take care of his own problems, as he should. Also, for those who said they looked like mannequins, who looked like the jerk here? I commend them for maintaining their compsure and professionalism.

[BigUmp56]

I disagree. A myriad of potential problems can be avoided by stepping in and walking an irrate coach away from your partner. Why wait until he does something even more stupid and bumps your partner or throws a punch for that matter. It's best to head it off before it escalates.


Tim.

[SCUMP]

big56 i agree. once the bu ejected the manager the pu should have at the very least been near his partner, to at least try to step in an escort the manager off the field. to stand at the plate and become a spectator is not what is expected.

watch any ejection in mlb you will always see other umpires stepping in once there is an ejection. you dont just let your partner sit there and take abuse.

many times it keeps an ugly situation from getting worse.

[SCUMP]

dontcallme....i'll call you..... by the way that didn't look like much of an argument.

it looked more like a one sided a$$ chewing and two sign post taking the chewing.

[Sal Giaco]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I disagree. A myriad of potential problems can be avoided by stepping in and walking an irrate coach away from your partner. Why wait until he does something even more stupid and bumps your partner or throws a punch for that matter. It's best to head it off before it escalates.


Tim.

Guys,
Different levels treat arugments different ways. As "Don'tcallme blue" said PRO ball generally treats it one on one (even after the ejection) unless there is contact. After most ejections, the umpire stands his ground, let's the manager/player gets his monies/fine worth (within reason) and then the discussion's over. In amateur ball, including college, the umpire walks away after the ejection and his partner comes in to peel the guy off.

This situation was very unique and I'm guessing the reason the PU did not come up was because he knew it would have been a "rodeo clown" situation and that would have probably been worse. Instead, he stayed back and wrote down everything on the line up card so they could get it right for the report. He also handled it well when the manager came up to him by just walking away. There's really not much you can do when a manager explodes like that.

Generally speaking, when a heated discussion is going on, the nearest umpire should walk (don't jog/run over towards the argument) and get in the vicinity to wear you can hear what's be said. Keep other coaches/players away from the discussion but don't involve yourself either. When the ejection happens, let the guys have their final say and then move in if necessary

[SCUMP]

sal i agree with a lot of what you said but the pu was not even in ear shot.

also i do not think that the managers tirade would have lasted three mins if the pu had made an attempt to remove the manager by stepping in. even at the big league level you see it all the time, after the ejection and the manager has his say one or more of the umpires steps in to try to difuse the situation.

[JRutledge]

What also needs to be stated is at the amateur level this would not have gone on very long because the threat of a forfeit would be in order. They ejection would bring an automatic suspension (usually) and any further action would bring more games as a suspension. We have seen before tirades with Lou Pinellia (sp?) and Billy Martin and no suspensions were issued. This is pro ball and you do not see umpires coming to the rescue to handle these disputes. Also if you notice the manager went into the dugout and came out. These guys did as they are told and let this guy rant and rant. We cannot compare our LL experience to what takes place in a Minor League game. It is not an appropriate response to have umpires come to the rescue in situations like this at the pro level. Just like you cannot compare a college game to a HS game. There are different levels of expectations and the penalties are quite different.

Peace

[BlueLawyer]

This is one tirade, granted. But on that video I saw:

1. An argument with a safe/out call that lasted too long.
2. Sliding into the second base bag, showing the umpire up.
3. Going to home plate and kicking dirt on the plate until it was completely covered.
4. Pouring the bottle of water on to the plate, making a mudpie.
5. Throwing bats out of the dugout.

I'm probably missing something here.

Any one of these 5, taken separately, was worth dumping him. So, in essence, he gets dumped 5 times, plus an extra two. I'd say 10 games, at least, without pay, plus the fine.

It's subjective, I know. Sometimes it makes no rhyme or reason. Stackhouse gets called for an ordinary foul on Shaq. He's suspended. This idiot makes a mockery of the game and he sits for a week.

Strikes and outs!