Sooooooo....today was the first day...

[SCUMP]

Arnold I Will Give You The Benifit Of Doubt Here,

Maybe You Got Confused When You Said Indy Ball Isnt Professional Baseball.

Now "the Over Thirty Womens Slow Pitch League You Work"

That "is Not" Pro Ball.

[BenedictArnold]

You have no idea what you are talking about. I will say that independent leagues are a form of professional baseball for all the reasons WWTB stated. They are payed to play. But if I worked it I would say I worked in a professional independent league. To say professional baseball is misleading without giving the league. My definition of professional is affiliated baseball with MLB.

However, with that being said, it is definitely not minor league baseball. At least an argument can be made about the professional statement, but minor league? Ok, then these players are going to climb the ranks to the major independent league? What teams are these independent leagues affiliaited with? And the players don't make the league. They may have former players like Ricky Henderson, but they are not brought in to develop them, they are there to be a side show to the fans.

You can call me what you want, I could give a s*it. But my hostility for people like SCUMP is because I put in my time and made it to AAA. I have given my umpiring resume. I know what it is like to be evaluated in the minor leagues. When I was in AA we shared rooms. When I was in A ball we made peanuts. Every thing the professional umpires receive today is something that the next group has tomorrow. That is why MiLB loves people like SCUMP. You can keep the games going with the players being ordered not to argue, and you truly believe you belong. As I said before, just remember that when people ask you about scabbing remind them that you were not the first choice (AMLU was) nor their second (People like me were) I am being generous when I say you were their third. But at the risk of being consistent, when you now tell people that you worked AAA or AA or whatever league you scabbed...make sure you mention the "scab" part. Otherwise you are just being misleading again.

The AMLU may have made mistakes, but they still made them out in the open. They tried to do something that was arguably impossible. And now they have to deal with a scab that not only thinks he knows what it is like to be a minor league umpire, but also plays monday morning quarterback on a complex labor situation.

OK SCUMP...I will give you the benefit of the doubt. It must have been really tough to walk away from those independent leagues after four years because the money wasn't good. You had to pass up on your dreams...I guess the dream would be that when many MLB players retire they come to your league and draw a bigger crowd. Must have been a difficult decision to make...

[SCUMP]

Arnie Once Again You Dazzle Us With Your Brillance.

Players, Some Former Big League And Minor League Players Choose To Play Indy Ball Because It Doesn't Limit Them To Who They Sign With If Approached By A Minor Or Major League Club.

It Is A League That Gives Players A Chance To Continue Playing And In A Lot Of Cases Is Their Avenue Back To The Bigs.

Some Of The So Called Side Show Guys....

Chris Wider Played Indy Ball Last Year And Was Called Up To The White Sox, The Were World Champs Last Year.

Jered Weaver Played Indy Ball This Year.....called Up To Anahiem Angels....big League Debut This Year....arnie

Joe Winkelas Called Up To The Brewers This Year From Indy Ball.

Jose Canseco Played Indy Ball Then Went To The White Sox And Hit 19 More Home Runs That Year......side Show Huh.

These Are Only A Few Arnie....

Learn Your Facts Before You Pop Off There Bitter Boy.......

By The Way Why Would Two Current Minor League Umpires....john Brammer For One The Other One Slips My Mind Lower Themselves To Work In The Atlantic League During The Strike????

Jim Evans Also Is A Consultant To The Atlantic League (sideshow) Non Professional Ball....

Mark Facto (former Minor League Ump) Is The Umpire Supervisor....

Why Dont You Give Mark A Call There Arnie And See If He Thinks The Atlantic League Is A Side Show And Really Isn't Minor League (pro Ball)....

Dumb A$$

[SCUMP]

Hey Arnie When You Were In A Ball Making Peanuts, Did You Put The Peanuts In The Beer You Obviously Were Crying In....

[SCUMP]

Want To Know More About The Side Show Atlantic League?

Go On Line To.. The Atlantic League Of Professional Baseball.....

Red All About Side Show Baseball At His Finest......

[BlueLawyer]

Dude-

Many of us get it. Here’s the deal: you are arguing with a guy who thinks that independent baseball is equivalent to the minors, and apparently, therefore, guys who umpire independent ball are “as good as” AMLU guys. There are other points I could make, but in the spirit of civility, I won’t.

I’m suggesting that you have won the argument.

I’m suggesting that keeping this thread going is counterproductive.

Strikes and outs!

[DIV2ump]

Did Andy Roberts really quit after negotiating this contract?

[SCUMP]

I Have Never Said Or Implied I Was Better Than Any Umpire At Any Level.

I Would Ask Though When The Amlu Went On Stike Did Milb Crawl Back To The Union And Ask Them To Save Their Season??? No

When The Replacement Umpires Went To Work, The Amlu Thought They Would Fail Miserably And It Just Didn't Happen.

It Must Hurt To Find Out Just Being A Member Of The Amlu And A Minor League Umpire Doesn't Make You Gods Gift To The Game....

I Am Still Waiting On An Answer As To Why John Brammer And One Other Umpire Would Stoop So Low As To Work In The Indy Atlantic League While They Were On Strike?

Why Would Jim Evans Get Involved With The League.

Why Would Mark Facto (former Minor League Ump) Be The Supervisor Of Side Show Ball?

Why Would So Many Former Big League Players And Minor League Players Play There And How Could So Many Of Them Make It Back To The Show Playing Side Show Ball?