Visit To Mound And Other things

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

i think there's no language because a trip is a trip is a trip. no matter what the circumstances are of when he goes, by going out there he has met the requirements of what defines a trip.

So at the end of the inning the 3rd base coach walking across the diamond towards his first base dugout, stops picks up the ball, hands it to his pitcher who has hustled out to the mound and says "Remember to keep the proper arm slot" and proceeds to the dugout.
You're charging him with a visit?

[SanDiegoSteve]

JM,

Thanks for finding that, I had the BRD right in front of me for another question, and didn't even think to look there. I have to remember to use that tool when looking for pro interps.

[johnnyg08]

If you charge a coach a trip for that, you're getting yourself into big trouble for the rest of the game...for something that's not illegal...think of a 3rd base coach crossing the diamond into the first base dugout...he can be out there until the cather yells "2" or whatever they yell before they throw it down...be careful what you choose to enforce...especially when it's not written in the rules...not that big of a deal....let it ride man.

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

If you charge a coach a trip for that, you're getting yourself into big trouble for the rest of the game...for something that's not illegal...think of a 3rd base coach crossing the diamond into the first base dugout...he can be out there until the cather yells "2" or whatever they yell before they throw it down...be careful what you choose to enforce...especially when it's not written in the rules...not that big of a deal....let it ride man.

Of course I'm not charging a visit. It was a question to Bobby.
In his post he said

"i think there's no language because a trip is a trip is a trip. no matter what the circumstances are of when he goes, by going out there he has met the requirements of what defines a trip."

That sounds pretty black and white and I was just wonderin' if that is what he really meant.

[johnnyg08]

NI ump...i agree with you...my post was in response to the original question about charging the coach a trip...happy umping...

[SanDiegoSteve]

NIump50, I don't think johnnyg08 was directing his post to you, I think he was agreeing with us, and was actually addressing BobbyB.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Well, then.......never mind.

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

NI ump...i agree with you...my post was in response to the original question about charging the coach a trip...happy umping...

Sorry!!!!.

[bobbybanaduck]

depending on a couple of things, yes i am.

if this is an indy ball game or a minor league fill in assignment (now that that crap has been settled) AND the comment about the arm slot, or a discussion on pitching, situation, or something strategy-related is audible to both myself and the opposing coaching staff, i'm charging a trip. if it's in quick passing (i.e. "no stop"), only audible to the pitcher, and i catch a slight wind of it, then i'd probably turn a deaf ear.

high school is a different world.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

depending on a couple of things, yes i am.

if this is an indy ball game or a minor league fill in assignment (now that that crap has been settled) AND the comment about the arm slot, or a discussion on pitching, situation, or something strategy-related is audible to both myself and the opposing coaching staff, i'm charging a trip. if it's in quick passing (i.e. "no stop"), only audible to the pitcher, and i catch a slight wind of it, then i'd probably turn a deaf ear.

high school is a different world.

So, you don't think that the professional interpretation from the late Barney Deary, the head of the Umpire Development Program, is good enough for you? This has been the pro interpretation for this subject since 1985, and has not been changed with any contrary ruling, so if you are charging a trip for this, you are doing it in violation of the rules. It's also OOO as hell. If you are trying to be "Barney Fife" out there, you're begging for trouble.

[UmpJM]

bobbybanaduck,

Then, according to the former director of the PBUC (nee BUD), you would be wrong. Your action would be that of an OOO who clearly does not understand the proper application of the rules relevant to this situation and misunderstands the role of the umpire in the game.

On the other hand, I would completely agree that "high school is a different world." Not, of course, in this particular respect, but in so many others.

JM

[DG]

A first base coach walking by the mound to have brief talk with pitcher is not a trip. A coach coming out of the dugout should also not be a trip, as long as the pitcher gets his warmups in the alloted time.

I might add I have never seen a coach come out of the dugout to talk with the pitcher for warmups. He could do that in the dugout before the pitcher went out.