Bunt attempt....strike?

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by blueump

Where do you get the "if the bat crossed the plate" strike? Its nowhere in my FED rulebook. Do you bring these "myths of baseball rules" to you when you ump games? For a strike to be called, a batter must attempt to hit the ball or the ball must go through the strike zone when over the plate.

It has nothing to do with "breaking the wrists", nothing to do with "crossing the plate". Plain and simple, the batter has to attempt to hit the ball.

On a bunt, the bat does not have to be pulled back. A batter can leave the bat in the strike zone and still have a ball called. To be a stike the ball has to be either in the strike zone, or the batter has to make an attempt to hit it.

Give the guy a break.
He puts himself out there asking a question, (supposedly this is the forum for that) to improve himself, and you have to chastise him and make fun.
If he was giving these "myths" as advice that would be a different story, but the guys asking a question.
Have all lawyers lost their civility or just you?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by NIump50

Give the guy a break.
He puts himself out there asking a question, (supposedly this is the forum for that) to improve himself, and you have to chastise him and make fun.
If he was giving these "myths" as advice that would be a different story, but the guys asking a question.
Have all lawyers lost their civility or just you?

To quote Sgt. Hulka, "lighten up, Francis!"

[blueump]

Originally Posted by NIump50

Give the guy a break.
He puts himself out there asking a question, (supposedly this is the forum for that) to improve himself, and you have to chastise him and make fun.
If he was giving these "myths" as advice that would be a different story, but the guys asking a question.
Have all lawyers lost their civility or just you?

How did I "chastize" him or "make fun" of him? I think you better re-read my post. I simply pointed these out as "myths". These "myths" are readily available by simply searching this web site with words like "bunt" and "strike".

Oh, and I'm not a lawyer...wherever you got that misinformation from.

[DownTownTonyBrown]

BlueUmp, you are being a little arrogant and adding to people's words... creating situations that weren't there...

Perhaps you need to reread some posts.

Your words: "For it to be a strike (call this oversimplification) the batter has to "make an attempt" to hit the ball."

I'm not sure what you intended by the parenthetical, but the statement is exactly correct.

Rich stated: "It is only a strike if the umpire judges that the batter attempted to hit the ball... If the bunter just stands there, he didn't attempt to hit the ball. He does NOT have to draw the bat back... There is no "crossed theplate" or "broke the wrists either.

Rich's statements are also exactly correct. You may want to ensure the myths are not perpetuated but Rich didn't even state, or acknowledge, them as myths. He just said there is no such thing. And that is correct.

LMan tried to clarify by stating that an attempt means moving the bat forward toward the oncoming ball... That may be good and I would slightly add to that statement - moving the bat in any direction (up, down, in, out) toward the ball and its flight path, should be considered an attempt.

And finally Tee gave the nearly exact location in the casebook to find the answer. Checkout 7.2.1 Situation B. That scenario uses words like "in front of the batter's body" and "any movement of the bat toward the ball."

I will add that we should also look at Rule 10-1-4 Note concerning check swings. "...the umpire may note whether the swing carried the barrel of the bat past the body of the batter, but final decision is based on whether the batter actually struck at the ball."

It was a simple question and hopefully 'just another ref' will gleen the necessary information and return with more questions.

[blueump]

Originally Posted by DownTownTonyBrown

BlueUmp, you are being a little arrogant and adding to people's words... creating situations that weren't there...

Perhaps you need to reread some posts.

Your words: "For it to be a strike (call this oversimplification) the batter has to "make an attempt" to hit the ball."

I'm not sure what you intended by the parenthetical, but the statement is exactly correct.

Sorry, I stand corrected. I must have read into the post that said,

"Give the guy a break. He puts himself out there asking a question, (supposedly this is the forum for that) to improve himself, and you have to chastise him and make fun.
If he was giving these "myths" as advice that would be a different story, but the guys asking a question. Have all lawyers lost their civility or just you?"

I took that as a personal attack against my answer (since it was the one that was quoted) and probably ??? shouldn't have. I was simply trying to answer the question with "a batter needs to attempt to hit the ball to be a strike". That was all I said.

My parenthesis calling it "oversimplified" was simply to protect myself from some of the flamers here who try to correct everything you type. They would have responded with every definition of "strike" in the book that I didn't list, calling me wrong and pointing out the various definitions that I failed to mention.

Sorry if I offended anyone. Not my intent in the least.

Arrogant Blue

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by blueump

Oh, and I'm not a lawyer...wherever you got that misinformation from.

My apologies

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by NIump50

Give the guy a break.
He puts himself out there asking a question, (supposedly this is the forum for that) to improve himself, and you have to chastise him and make fun.
If he was giving these "myths" as advice that would be a different story, but the guys asking a question.
Have all lawyers lost their civility or just you?

I believe you are mistaking blueump for "bluelawyer" or "lawump" making the hybrid "blueump," who is not a lawyer, but plays one on TV.

[BigUmp56]

I suppose the hybrid "lawlawyer" would be redundant?


Tim.