Here a balk, there a balk...

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by orioles35

My mistake. It was the defensive coach that was claiming it was foul (and dead). I corrected that in my original post.

Well......that's DIFFERENT! Never Mind.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

Well......that's DIFFERENT! Never Mind.

Good to see Emily again! R.I.P. Gilda.....

[cbfoulds]

[QUOTE=orioles35]
I don't know what the exact rule is, but it reads something like "once a runner has legally obtained a base, he cannot retreat to a prior base after the play has ended" (leaving the door open for a runner to retouch DURING a play, if necessary).
QUOTE]Godd reason why you "don't know what the exact rule is ...":
Ain't no such rule in baseball for a sitch where the ball is live.

IF THE BALL BECOMES DEAD after a runner acquires a base, a runner cannot return to retouch a base that was missed or left early [unless required to return by a "runners return .." type of penalty /award].

[RPatrino]

Did PWL say "uncaught foul tip"?? Once a foul "tip" is not caught it becomes a "foul ball". I would use the "little" foul ball signal in this situation.

Bob P.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by PWL

Do you ever give the little "time out" signal to let everyone know that it was a foul tip and caught before you give the strike signal?

What in the world is the "little time out signal?" The world is still awaiting this explanation.

All you are to do is give the "foul tip" signal and the "strike" signal. I am unfamiliar with the "little time out signal."

[NFump]

[quote=cbfoulds]

Originally Posted by orioles35

I don't know what the exact rule is, but it reads something like "once a runner has legally obtained a base, he cannot retreat to a prior base after the play has ended" (leaving the door open for a runner to retouch DURING a play, if necessary).
QUOTE]Godd reason why you "don't know what the exact rule is ...":
Ain't no such rule in baseball for a sitch where the ball is live.

IF THE BALL BECOMES DEAD after a runner acquires a base, a runner cannot return to retouch a base that was missed or left early [unless required to return by a "runners return .." type of penalty /award].

7.01 casebook comment. If a runner legally acquires title to a base, and the pitcher assumes his pitching position the runner may not return to a previously occupied base.

[cbfoulds]

[QUOTE=NFump]

Originally Posted by cbfoulds

7.01 casebook comment. If a runner legally acquires title to a base, and the pitcher assumes his pitching position the runner may not return to a previously occupied base.

Good point, hadn't been thinking of that one, which, in my defense, is inaposite to the original sitch. Also, see:

7.08(i) ... If a runner touches an unoccupied base and then thinks the ball was caught or is decoyed into returning to the base he last touched, he may be put out running back to that base, but if he reaches the previously occupied base safely he cannot be put out while in contact with that base.
[my emphasis]

[LMan]

Originally Posted by bossman72

orioles,

When the foul tip happened, did you verbalize anything at all? did you say "Foul Tip!" or "Foul ball!" ??

Since a foul tip is by definition a swinging strike, there is no verbalization.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by LMan

Since a foul tip is by definition a swinging strike, there is no verbalization.

Yes, i know this. I was asking just in case orioles did it- which would lead to confusion on the field.

[BellevueUMp]

I'll toss this out to try and help answer the question about the "time out" signal. In the back of the Fed rule book, the "Mechanics" illustrations show the umpire making what appears to be a 'time out' signal (like I'm typically used to seeing a basketball player use towards the official). I was taught to signal a foul tip by brushing the palm/fingertips of one hand across the back of the other, so seeing the mechanic depicted this way was a bit confusing. I wasn't sure if this was a different mechanic or just how the one I learned was drawn. Guess I'm not crazy after all (well, not as much as I'd thought ).

[SanDiegoSteve]

I'm looking at the 2005 book (the only one I have) and it shows and describes the mechanic as "the palms of the hands glance off each other as they pass above eye level, followed by a strike call." That's a bit more like it.

It really should read "followed by a non-verbal strike signal."

That so-called "little time out signal" is what referees use for a technical foul signal in basketball, yet I have seen older FED baseball mechanic pictures depicting a similar motion for foul tip.

I have never paterned my signals after the hyserically funny pictures in the FED rule book. Play Ball is especially ROTFLMAO funny. Looks like the guy is smacking himself in the mask. What's wrong with a good point to the pitcher?