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Consider this bull

Read this link, http://www.reegind.com/helmet.htm, given earlier.
Marketing AD 101 sounds comical to me.

Only 2 things are likely to happen and remotely close to sound advice:
1) You will get hit on the nose, and 2) you should add a throat guard.

Black HSM is NOT COOLER. Your head is losing a significant amount of heat. The 100 degree air feels COOLER because the TEMP above your head inside the mask is much WARMER. Place an expensive pair of sun glasses over your head on a warm day after a brief jog and see if water has not condensed on the lense. HEAT.

"There is a reason why most catchers have switched and why Hockey has been using them for years."

Well, yeah, they play INDOORS over ICE and the TEMP is below 70 degrees.

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Originally Posted by greymule

[B] The black resin mask they sold a few years ago is still mint after many games. I wonder why they discontinued that item.

I heard it was because it was found that in low temps it had a tendency to shatter/crack on impact. I have no direct evidence on this, however.

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Originally Posted by Tim C

I simply correctly commented that a mask worn correctly works like an F1 racer at crash time and disapates energy.

Tim,

Does it work as well as Paul Dana's recently did, or those of Roland Ratzenberger and Ayrton Senna in the San Marino Grand Prix at Imola in 1994? Maybe a better analogy would be more appropriate, hmmmm?:eek:

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Originally Posted by JIGGY

Yeah? Would you like to explain how you think this not the case? It is a proven fact that umpires hit while wearing the helmet vs. traditional mask sustain fewer and or less severe concussions and compression injuries. This is so much true that PBUC now reccomends the helmet.

Can you please provide support for both statements ("it's a proven fact ..." and "PBUC recommends ...")? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by LMan

I heard it was because it was found that in low temps it had a tendency to shatter/crack on impact. I have no direct evidence on this, however.

ive heard/read it was more from the effect heat plays on it, like sitting in your hot trunk all day. thats just what i remember though, could be both situations actually.

im also interested in what bob asked about.

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Originally Posted by Tim C

No where have I said a traditional mask is better (or worse) than the old HSM.

You are correct, and I never said you said that.

I addressed your statement that a mask does not transfer the impact of a hit to your forehead and jaw.

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Originally Posted by Tim C

"The traditional mask, because of how it is worn, transfers the impact to the forehead and more so the chin (jaw)."

This is not a true statement if you wear your traditional mask correctly.

Senna's crash was 160 MPH directly into a concrete wall . . . not sure how all that energy could have been deflected even if he was wearing a HSM.

Nick, will you ever get past this kind of stuff.

It has become funny.

Regards,

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Originally Posted by SAump

My helmet was $85. I own a mask that cost more.

How is it "less professional?" Chuck Meriwether wore one at the A's game I attended last night. BTW, he didn't even bother taking it off when rotating up to third.

Anyone that says the helmet is cooler is on drugs. The heat is the one big drawback to the helmet.

I decided that, heat be damned, safety is paramount...so I just ordered one of these:

http://www.antiquesofthesea.com/aos_..._helmet_01.jpg

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Good one!

Less Professional

http://www.home-team-sports.com/stor..._26940393.html

I think this would protect the front, top, side and back of my head.
I also think that it would provides a better field of view than any baseball or hockey helmet.
I also think that if you redesign the face mask for baseball, it would provide significantly better protection for my lower jaw, neck, and spine.

Would you allow umpires to wear a similar redesigned baseball helmet if it provided better protection overall?

Best helmet-mask combo on the market!

http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~tofarr/p.../meBeerHat.jpg

Tim.

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Originally Posted by SAump

Only if they were A & M helmets.:)

I have been reading some threads that mention that umpires don't need to take off the helmets when running or making their calls. I don't agree with this mechanic.

I may not get my helmet off on a hot-shot down the line, but in all other situations, I remove my helmet with my left hand, just like a mask, and make all my calls with the helmet in my left hand.

I think running around with the helmet on does look unprofessional, just as keeping a mask on would. It is the reason that someone mentioned that it looked like a bobble head doll, because of all the bobbing up and down running with it on would cause.

There is no reason not to remove the helmet, just as you would a conventional mask.

JM2cents

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Originally Posted by SAump

HSM Facts:
1) More expensive, 2) More heat, 3) Less professional, 4) Less padding, 5) Less comfort, 7) Less buying INFO, 8) Harder to size, 9) Harder to take on/off, 10) Harder to handle or store in gym bag, 11) Safety record (NIL), 12) Must cut hair or wear silly stocking cap and 13) Must have small head to fit right.

Safety:
1) Catcher NO longer tosses it or trips over it because they no longer take it off durring the course of a PLAY.
2) More deflection,the impact is significantly reduced. However, the UMPIRE standing behind the catcher is now more likely to take the DING on the unprotected ARM. Ouch.

Challenge:
1) Name one umpire or catcher whose carreer ended from an injury caused by the impact of a foul ball to the mask. Then prove that this injury would have been prevented as a result of wearing a HSM over the traditional mask.
2) Name and discuss any fact or safety issue that may prove added value of wearing a HSM.

1) not necessarily, 2) true, 3) false, 4) padding not needed, 5) way more comfort, 6) you skipped 6, 7) what?????, 8) quite easy to size - 2 sizes fit all,
9) if you are an imbicile, perhaps harder, 10) yes, if you store your gear in a "gym bag," but most of us use equipment bags, 11) N/A 12) why on earth, sweaty hair? get over yourself!!! 13) total bullsh*t.

Safety:
1) Really? All the catchers I know flip the helmet off to make plays (except steals). Have not had one catcher try to catch a pop-up with his helmet on.
2) Totally a logical fallacy. Try again.

Challenge:
1) Stupid challenge, as it is totally irrelevant what has or has not occurred in the past.
2) When the ball hits you in the back of the head, it doesn't hurt. I got a rebound in the back of the noggin the other night. Also would be nice to have if Delmon Young is nearby with a bat in his hands.:eek: