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Rich Wed Apr 26, 2006 09:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clint Lawson
I have never seen a JV pitcher throw 85mph.

I'm glad somebody said something.

moorg Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clint Lawson
I have never seen a JV pitcher throw 85mph.

I generally subtract 15 from anything that I do not see on a JUGS gun for myself.

LMan Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:25pm

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Originally Posted by Armadillo_Blue
NFHS mechanics put the umpire in B with R3.

Grey's association's mechanics line up with what we were taught at the IHSA clinics.

Kyle

If thats so, I apologize for speaking without all the facts. Guess Im the incompetent one! (which would be no surprise to some :D )

LakeErieUmp Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:55pm

Heck, I'VE never seen a pitch at any level I could time for speed by my little self!
Congrats on getting through your first game. Now you can stop worrying and start enjoying your work!

ToGreySt Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:04pm

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Originally Posted by LMan
If thats so, I apologize for speaking without all the facts. Guess Im the incompetent one! (which would be no surprise to some :D )

does your association teach being in C with R3 only?

just curious

Joe

DG Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armadillo_Blue
NFHS mechanics put the umpire in B with R3.

Grey's association's mechanics line up with what we were taught at the IHSA clinics.

Kyle

Not in my FED Umpire's Manual and I would not be in B with R3.

LakeErieUmp Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:17pm

I only have my 2005-2006 Fed book with me and it shows BU at C with runner at Third Base only. (pg. 48 - Article 4) Did Fed change the mechanic in the new book? BU at C seems the right mechanic since the only likely play by the catcher will be a throw to third.

DG Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:24pm

Get a copy of CCA Manual, and/or Manual for the Two-Umpire System put out by PBUC and throw the FED Umpires Manual in the trash when it comes with your rule and case books.

In your next pre-game go over the coverages that your partner in this game was not aware he was responsible for, and if you ever get assigned another game with the smae guy, make sure he knows what his responsibilities are for these situations. Don't tell the assignor you can't work with him, but if he is assigned again, be prepared that he might not know anymore that he did last time about where he is supposed to be and what calls he is supposed to make.

Justme Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:34am

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Originally Posted by DG
Get a copy of CCA Manual, and/or Manual for the Two-Umpire System put out by PBUC and throw the FED Umpires Manual in the trash when it comes with your rule and case books.

In your next pre-game go over the coverages that your partner in this game was not aware he was responsible for, and if you ever get assigned another game with the smae guy, make sure he knows what his responsibilities are for these situations. Don't tell the assignor you can't work with him, but if he is assigned again, be prepared that he might not know anymore that he did last time about where he is supposed to be and what calls he is supposed to make.


I searched and searched but I can't seem to find my copy of the CCA Manual. I did happen to find my copy of the PBUC Manual For The Two-Umpire System.

BU positioning:

Runner on:
1B = B (same as FED)
2B = C (same as FED)
3B = C (same as FED)
1B & 2B = C (same as FED)
1B & 3B = B (FED is C)
2B & 3B = C (same as FED)
Loaded = C (same as FED)

As I recall, but can't confirm tonight, the CCA Manual is the same as PBUC.

I found my CCA manual but it is the 2003 model (last time I needed it). Positioning is the same as PBUC.

kylejt Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:35am

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Originally Posted by Clint Lawson
I have never seen a JV pitcher throw 85mph.

There was a twelve year in my town throwing 81mph. Perhaps you caught his 18 K's in six innings on TV. That's 81mph from 46'. I did most of his games last year, and they were, ah, interesting.

Kyle

SanDiegoSteve Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clint Lawson
I have never seen a JV pitcher throw 85mph.

The JV right fielder that had never pitched before who took me out of the game (only time ever) with a fastball directly to my left elbow, was throwing well over 85 mph. He had no clue where the ball was going and the catcher was so overmatched he couldn't get a glove on the ball.

SanDiegoSteve Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:46am

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Originally Posted by Armadillo_Blue
NFHS mechanics put the umpire in B with R3.

Another great reason not to use them, IMO.:mad:

bob jenkins Thu Apr 27, 2006 07:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armadillo_Blue
NFHS mechanics put the umpire in B with R3.

Grey's association's mechanics line up with what we were taught at the IHSA clinics.

Kyle

Remember that IHSA mechanics are NOT the same as FED mechanics -- and I think this is one of the differences.

LMan Thu Apr 27, 2006 08:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToGreySt
does your association teach being in C with R3 only?

just curious

Joe


Yes, it does.

Justme Thu Apr 27, 2006 08:51am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Remember that IHSA mechanics are NOT the same as FED mechanics -- and I think this is one of the differences.

IHSA mechanics:

C position only when 3rd base is in imminent danger of being stolen (i.e., runners at 2nd or 1st & 2nd).

B position in all other situations with runners on base.


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