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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

All he's done is ask you to provide substance to your claim that the amature umpires were using derogatory terms to describe the AMLU members. Each time he's asked you've done your usual little dance to skirt the truth, which is you have no way of providing that substance. You either lied or misspoke. It's alright though, we're used to you being either dishonest or ill-informed.

I did not say there was anything said derogatory from my point of view. That was not my position at all. I do not see a discussion of opinions as derogatory. I did say that what he considered inflammatory is just as inflammatory on the other side. I said that if he feels that the term "scab" was inflammatory, I feel that other comments were inflammatory as well. There is nothing about a union dispute in an industry that I do not work or associate myself with as something inflammatory. There are bigger things in life for me personally than a word about replacement umpires. Now remember this “my” opinion and he was called on his position by more people than me on this very issue. This is not a court of law and I do not have to prove anything to you or anyone else. Now if that affects my credibility with you, so what. You work a level I have not worked in 9 years. You live in a state I do not live and you live in an area I will probably never go for a baseball game. We also likely will not ever work together. So my credibility with you and a bunch of internet umpires is the least of my concern. I umpire as a hobby; it is not life or death.

I also think it is silly to say the word "scab" is inflammatory when it is not only the term is in the dictionary for describing a person that crosses the picket line, but is the term used in many, many union disputes to describe people who replace in union workers during a strike. Now I guess you do not understand what an "opinion" is rather than a fact. If I feel George Bush is an idiot that is my opinion. I do not have to verify my opinion with an objective sources or examples to make others happy.

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

As far as my discussion board goes you know nothing about my motives for creating the group or anything about the nearly 100 members who've joined and are posting there. There was a need to have a discussion board for all the newer or rookie umpires that were being turned away from this and other boards for asking what some felt were remedial questions. They come to my board and ask these questions without fear of receiving scorn from those who forget where they started.

I cannot even believe you responded to my very sarcastic comment about your internet dealings. Most umpires I know never come to the internet to learn anything about umpiring. If they want to learn something they can attend camps or go to association meetings where they can verify the backgrounds of the people that are giving presentations and teaching concepts. Maybe there is a need where you are. Where I live the need is fulfilled by those that run our associations. This place for me is pure entertainment and to pass time between work and games.

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I don't need anyone to support my positions, Jeff. I'm a big enough man to be swayed when I'm wrong, and debate when I feel I'm right. I've yet, in all the time I've been reading your posts seen you do the same, although you do screw up quite a bit and never admitt it.

It always cracks me up with people like you and many others that come to these internet sites. You obviously do not know what the definition of "debate" means. Debate is when people give opposing positions. Much of debate is based on a person's experiences and personal philosophies. I vote for a certain political party because of my feelings and experiences and I will debate with people about those positions. I am not going to change my “opinion” because someone brings up a certain point. If you do not stand for something you will fall for anything.

Tim, if you actually read my posts you will realize that almost all are about philosophies and experiences that I have had in officiating. Then based on those experiences I share my “opinion” as to what is the best thing to do in certain situations. I do not know about you, but if you go to a camp of any kind you might hear 5 different opinions on one subject and all the individuals giving their opinions. I have literally been to basketball camps and was told one thing while I am at one end of the court. Then I run to the other end and a different person says something completely different than the first person. Then I go back to the other end and someone says something completely different then the first two people and all were addressing the same issue. I went to a D1 camp last summer and the supervisor of the camp told us we will here different things from all of his clinicians including him. He told us to get over it and when we leave pick what we like and throw out what we do not like.

If you do not like what I have to say and you do not agree with me that I OK. I really do not care either way. The sun will rise whether you like what I say or not.

Peace

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You live in a state I do not live and you live in an area I will probably never go for a baseball game. We also likely will not ever work together. So my credibility with you and a bunch of internet umpires is the least of my concern. I umpire as a hobby; it is not life or death.

This is a priceless comment, Jeff. Think back a few months when you insisted that you worked college games in South Bend. Windy called you out on it by letting everyone know there wasn't a snowballs chance in Hades that you would ever call a Notre Dame baseball game. The I stepped up for you and listed all the college games played in the South Bend area that were not played by the University of Notre Dame. So, which is it, Jeff? Will you never come here for a baseball game or were you lying when you said you had already been assigned college games in South Bend?


Tim.

[PWL]

While we're on the subject of "scabs", what about the new immigration reform laws. I guess the Republicans feel they already have enough cheap labor in this country.

Some people want to build a 2,000 mile wall to help accomplish this. I say if you are going to build a wall, why would you want to keep out the people who you expect to build it. So kinda defeats the purpose I feel.

[BigUmp56]

Build the wall first and then kick them out, ala the Carlos Mencia methodology.


Tim.

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Build the wall first and then kick them out, ala the Carlos Mencia methodology.


Tim.

"dee dee deeeee"

[PWL]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Build the wall first and then kick them out, ala the Carlos Mencia methodology.


Tim.

Carlos could be one of the first to go.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

This is a priceless comment, Jeff. Think back a few months when you insisted that you worked college games in South Bend. Windy called you out on it by letting everyone know there wasn't a snowballs chance in Hades that you would ever call a Notre Dame baseball game. The I stepped up for you and listed all the college games played in the South Bend area that were not played by the University of Notre Dame. So, which is it, Jeff? Will you never come here for a baseball game or were you lying when you said you had already been assigned college games in South Bend?


Tim.

Tim,

I was in Indiana on Easter for a college game working a conference double header. You were not there of course.

We were scheduled to do a 9 and a 7. We finished the 9 after a rain and lightning delay. I do not think we got out of the 1st inning of the second game. Then I ran into a D1 basketball official whose son plays for the home team. We talked and I will see him at a camp in June.

Also Tim I think you need to go back and read the entire discussion. I recall that this conversation was also about a certain person that claims to live in the same area that I do and has changed his story a 100 times over about his background. The reality is many people can look at my schedule when it comes out thru email (everyone in our association sees all our assigned games within that association). Many people can confirm where I worked what I did when I was there. They can see me work camps or clinics where I have spoken. Anyone can verify what I have done or not done. Funny I have never seen one person willing to put their name on anything and say I was somewhere I was not. Actually there are many people that can go to a website and see my name on the list of umpires that works for a particular assignor.

The college game I worked in Indiana was a basketball game. If you know anything about South Bend there is more one university in that town. What else do you want to know?

Peace

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Tim,

I was in Indiana on Easter for a college game working a conference double header. You were not there of course.

We were scheduled to do a 9 and a 7. We finished the 9 after a rain and lightning delay. I do not think we got out of the 1st inning of the second game. Then I ran into a D1 basketball official whose son plays for the home team. We talked and I will see him at a camp in June.

The college game I worked in Indiana was a basketball game. If you know anything about South Bend there is more one university in that town. What else do you want to know?

Peace

Since when did basketball games have innings? The only other university in South Bend dumped their baseball program and now have only a club team. Let's play name that university for 100 points, Jeff.


Tim.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

Dave,
Your post was well put...I was not questioing his paternity or besmirching his reputation. I simply alluded to the fact that this photo had already been discussed on this and other boards. If he had posted it earlier, took responsibility for it and was indeed his sole property, my apologies for the confusion. I would wonder how it made it's way to the other sites without his permission though.

If you've read my stand on the issue you'll note that I have been pretty consistent against umpire bashing. I may throw a dagger or two here, but I refuse to accept that name calling, threats of harm or exclusion are in any way helping the cause of the Association of Minor League Umpires. If the brass had any dignity they would immediately suspend all displays of harassment. Who fills the umpires schools each year? That's right, the very same amateur umpires that they are exploiting.

In an eery irony, I pray that one of the replacement umpires really shines and decides to attend pro school next year. PBUC and AMLU bury the hatchet and the Minor Leagues once again uses their 220 bodies to carry the games. Now, Johnny Replacement has an exceptional camp and scores as one of the top umpires. He is offered a contract and now must decide whether he wants to join them or not. They also must open their arms to someone who earned the right to be there. Good Lord, that would be an interesting conversation wouldn't it?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Since when did basketball games have innings? The only other university in South Bend dumped their baseball program and now have only a club team. Let's play name that university for 100 points, Jeff.


Tim.

Tim,

I think you have been worrying a little too much about me. Do you have facts that I was talking about baseball? Show me where I said anything about baseball in that particular conversation when I talked about working in South Bend. If I was going to brag about working a game in South Bend, it would not be a baseball game that I would talk about.

Peace

[SAump]

This ND conversation is about 8 months old. I think the original threads were deleted over 6 months ago because it GOT UGLY.

Most Historical: Rosa Parks, RIP.

Most Strange: Two of you were at the same NCAA convention in Chicago.

Most Funniest: Next time your in ND, look me up. I'll enjoy kicking your *** after the game.

May I suggest, either add something NEW or MOVE ON already. I have read these same statements a 1/2 dozen times or more.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by SAump

This ND conversation is about 8 months old. I think the original threads were deleted over 6 months ago because it GOT UGLY.

Most Historical: Rosa Parks, RIP.

Most Strange: Two of you were at the same NCAA convention in Chicago.

Most Funniest: Next time your in ND, look me up. I'll enjoy kicking your *** after the game.

May I suggest, either add something NEW or MOVE ON already. I have read these same statements a 1/2 dozen times or more.

SA:

You're confused again. It was Windy and Jeff who were at the same convention. Windy delighted in letting Jeff know he shook his hand and Jeff was none the wiser. Then Windy called Jeff out for making a challenge to the members of a rival association and then hiding like a school girl when they showed up to take him up on his offer at a tournament.


And, I've never threatened to assault anyone after a game. I did get ticked off at LDUB and invited him to come to SB in a PM, but we've resolved our feud since then.


Tim.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Tim,

I was in Indiana on Easter for a college game working a conference double header. You were not there of course.

We were scheduled to do a 9 and a 7. We finished the 9 after a rain and lightning delay. I do not think we got out of the 1st inning of the second game. Then I ran into a D1 basketball official whose son plays for the home team. We talked and I will see him at a camp in June.

Okay, Jeff. Fair enough. I won't take the time to scan the archives to prove you were bragging about working college basball games in the past in South Bend, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I would like to know, however, what college conference double header was being played here on Easter of this year. Since you called the first end of the series you should have an answer.


Tim.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Okay, Jeff. Fair enough. I won't take the time to scan the archives to prove you were bragging about working college basball games in the past in South Bend, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I would like to know, however, what college conference double header was being played here on Easter of this year. Since you called the first end of the series you should have an answer.


Tim.

Why don't you so some research and figure it out Tim? I do not see you giving me information about the games you work and you do not see me asking you either. I gave you the state and the type of program it was. I even gave you specific information so that you could verify what I told you. I am in the Box Score, so this should be easy for you.

Also Tim, you need to go look around the country because there were many Division 1 programs that played on Easter Sunday. Miami and FSU played on Easter Sunday and I can tell you I was no where near Florida on Easter.

Peace

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why don't you so some research and figure it out Tim? I do not see you giving me information about the games you work and you do not see me asking you either. I gave you the state and the type of program it was. I even gave you specific information so that you could verify what I told you. I am in the Box Score, so this should be easy for you.

Also Tim, you need to go look around the country because there were many Division 1 programs that played on Easter Sunday. Miami and FSU played on Easter Sunday and I can tell you I was no where near Florida on Easter.

Peace

It's what I thought, Jeff, you were lying. The only college in the South Bend area that still has a baseball program, other than the University of Notre Dame is Bethel College in Mishawaka. Bethel is a small NAIA Christian College that will notplay a baseball game on Easter Sunday. I'm sure you already know that there's no way that Notre Dame would schedule a game on Easter either. I have no idea what Miami and FSU have to do with this conversation. That is unless you're claiming they played in South Bend on Easter and you worked the games. Of course there's St. Marys College here in South Bend, so you could have been talking about working one of their games. Oh, wait, they're an all girls College and are the sister school to the University of Notre Dame so they wouldn't play on Easter either even if they did have a baseball team. Or, was it Holy Cross Junior College? Nope, they don't have a baseball program and again, even if they did they are a feeder school to the University of Notre Dame and is run by The Brothers of the Holy Cross, so they wouldn't play on Easter either.


Tim.