Bowling over the catcher

[gobama84]

Originally posted by phillips.alex
remember in NFHS rules it is "slide or avoid." You don't have to slide if you can otherwise avoid contact (ie, running around, diving, jumping....)

alex

Where are you umpiring????
The runner is "ALWAYS" out if he dives over a player.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Mike Walsh

Diving is allowed only if the fielder is lying flat on the ground.

Mike

Not true, Mike (and Alex).

Diving is always illegal. You can jump over a player who is lying on the ground.

[mcrowder]

Who says the "dive" was over the player. You can dive if you're not diving over anyone. Diving to the side, for example.

[gobama84]

Originally posted by mcrowder
Who says the "dive" was over the player. You can dive if you're not diving over anyone. Diving to the side, for example.

How many times have you seen any player dive to the side to avoid a fielder?

[SAump]

I have never seen a cannonball, unless you account for and look at the pre-impact postures of players in MLB collisions at home plate. Nor have I seen a reverse backflip during live action on a baseball diamond, but I will admit the StL WIZ of OZ could have done it.

I have witnessed four players come out from the dugout, run toward second base and dive headfirst in unison into second base at the end of a ballgame in celebration of an important victory. It really looked good and I ranked it a 10 on the headfirst diving scale.

I think Charlie Hustle was captured on film, on more than one occasion, diving head first into third base. Pete Rose fell during each dive, but some people will deny that ROSE ever flew through the AIR WE BREATH. They will admit that he appeared to fall less than normal because of Magnus effects on flatter trajectories. We can all agree that the baseball writers grounded his bid for the Hall of Fame. I still think the gambling world ranks Mr. Rose at the top of the diving scale, a perfect 10.

[BigUmp56]

Originally posted by SAump
I have never seen a cannonball, unless you account for and look at the pre-impact postures of players in MLB collisions at home plate. Nor have I seen a reverse backflip during live action on a baseball diamond, but I will admit the StL WIZ of OZ could have done it.

I have witnessed four players come out from the dugout, run toward second base and dive headfirst in unison into second base at the end of a ballgame in celebration of an important victory. It really looked good and I ranked it a 10 on the headfirst diving scale.

I think Charlie Hustle was captured on film, on more than one occasion, diving head first into third base. Pete Rose fell during each dive, but some people will deny that ROSE ever flew through the AIR WE BREATH. They will admit that he appeared to fall less than normal because of Magnus effects on flatter trajectories. We can all agree that the baseball writers grounded his bid for the Hall of Fame. I still think the gambling world ranks Mr. Rose at the top of the diving scale, a perfect 10.

Put down the bong and step back slowly, Dude.

Tim.

[SAump]

Now Diving UNDER the catcher!

[Tim C]

"How many times have you seen any player dive to the side to avoid a fielder?"

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Mmmm, everytime a runner on base "dives" back into the base during a pickoff attempt.

That would be one example.

Dives are sometimes legal.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Tim C
"How many times have you seen any player dive to the side to avoid a fielder?"

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Mmmm, everytime a runner on base "dives" back into the base during a pickoff attempt.

That would be one example.

Dives are sometimes legal.

That wasn't the original context.

[SAump]

People using the physical principals of flight may DIVE to get down quickly. I am merely pointing out that DIVING is always in the obvious direction - downward, below or underneath. One cannot physically dive upward, over or curve to the side of another. However, one can physically jump or FLOP upward, over or to the side of another.

http://www.muhs.acsu.k12.vt.us/physi...osburyflop.htm

What a DRAG – normal humans are not good pitchers, normal humans are not good base-stealing runners, and normal humans usually FLOP over and towards the sidelines after being called out at the plate for bowling over the catcher.

[JJ]

Originally posted by SAump
They will admit that he appeared to fall less than normal because of Magnus effects on flatter trajectories.

Of course, the Magnus effects. How could I have forgotten?

JJ

[mcrowder]

Actually, it was a player diving toward home plate, but not over a fielder, that I was referring to. Tim's examples work too.

[BigUmp56]

Originally posted by JJ

Of course, the Magnus effects. How could I have forgotten?

JJ

If the runner does a flip while he's diving does Bernoulli's principle apply? It's obvious the runner is trying to RISE above being tagged out.

Tim.

[LMan]

Don't forget that Doppler Effect also....makes a mean scream going over F2....

[DownTownTonyBrown]

Originally posted by SAump
I have never seen a cannonball, unless you account for and look at the pre-impact postures of players in MLB collisions at home plate. Nor have I seen a reverse backflip during live action on a baseball diamond, but I will admit the StL WIZ of OZ could have done it.

We had a kid (American Legion ball, I believe) do a cartwheel after a game winning homerun (as he came into home plate)... the umpire was so stunned he didn't know what to do.

[Edited by DownTownTonyBrown on Feb 14th, 2006 at 04:11 PM]