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Old Tue Nov 08, 2005, 10:14am
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Originally posted by umpduck11

While I have heard infielders say "back", I have
not encountered one saying "go".
I recall doing a college game where the RUNNER on first base, after the pitcher came set and was just breaking to pitch, would bluff stealing but would yell, "HE'S GOING", trying to break the pitcher's concentration on the pitch. It was evidently ineffective, because the team tried it for one season and I've never seen it since. Nobody complained, so the umpires weren't put on the "do something about it" hotseat. Odds are in a college situation nobody WOULD have complained - someone would have been "buzzed" to send the message that what they were doing wasn't in the spirit of the game at that level. That coach is habitually in the CWS.

JJ
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Old Tue Nov 08, 2005, 11:07am
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My True Answer,

WCB:

In an attempt to be part of the answer and not part of the problem I offer my view of your original post:

When I read your post I knew (contrary to your thoughts) that you were simply setting a situation that would lead to the end outcome. That is why I answered as I did . . . I respectfully request that you do not try to fill in what "I really meant".

Your situation must have rules for me to answer so here they are:

1) If I were in "A" with r1 then, for me, this could only be a Federation High School Playoff Game. That is the only "three man mechanic" games I work.

2) Since I work a rather "Deep A" with r1 I would have to first hear the entire conversation. I wouldn't "guess" what is being said or the motive behind the conversation.

3) So let's now all agree that the conversaion is EXACTLY as you portray it: "F3 is "encouraging r1 to run." IF I was interested enough to listen and decided that it wasn't in the spirit of FED sportsmanship rules I would simply step between the fielder and the runner, while touching the base (acting as if I am putting the base back into position) I would tell F3 to desist in no uncertain terms.

4) Since I am a veteran umpire I would say this to the level I was interested and to the level I thought important.

5) By injecting myself into the situation we are now in a position, and I hope you agree, that I am no longer worried about the "verbal obstruction" issue -- I am now directly involved so it elevates to an issue that if F3 says it again I have placed myself in a position that I must eject the perp.

This situation is FAR different than saying "Back!" by a middle infielder and should be handled differently.

Windy, I have plenty of resume fodder to convince even the most anal that I have a strong understanding of the letter and the intent of National Federation Rules . . . if pressed I would freely admit that I probably understand Fedlandia better than you after working it for 37 years and studying the processes they use.

Oh BTW, I would definitely call a guy out at the dish on an over the fence homerun if I saw him miss the plate by ANY measurement.

I notice that EVERY MLB umpire closely monitors all runners and the batter during a walk off home run and I do the same.

AND I believe in umpire's getting their own calls and living with them and an elimination of "group hug" umpiring. Let's get a little personal responsibility back into officiating.

Let's make umpiring a little less coach friendly and little more involved in getting our own calls and living with the outcome.

Thanks for reading,

Tee

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Old Tue Nov 08, 2005, 06:23pm
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JJ and Tee,
Thank you for responding to the query. We deal in hypotheticals all of the time here and on the field. This was just another example of that possibility. I appreciate your candor Tee, I was happy to see that you would agree about the plate call. (WHERE WERE YOU WHEN PAPA C. WAS DOGGING ME ABOUT WHAT ALL EXPERIENCED UMPIRES CALL?) I knew that I wasn't the only one that calls them the way they are supposed to be called.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; this rule stinks and that is why I hate umpiring Fed ruled baseball. You would get laughed off of most college fields for even hinting that you would call something like this. Tee's comment about injecting himself into the game is what I've preached all along. Call what is easily supported by the books. (Yes, I was careful with the wording, since some of you are still on the newsletter bandwagon and no one actually has one.) That's is what the coach will look up when the game is over.

I may just have to put you back on that list, Tee! I'm sure that you lost sleep over it.

Thank you again for the courteous reply.
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Old Tue Nov 08, 2005, 07:22pm
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Watch Out!

WCB wrote:

(Yes, I was careful with the wording, since some of you are still on the newsletter bandwagon and no one actually has one.)

I am not sure who you are referring to here. I have all the spring newsletters back as far as 1978. FED will also send you copies if you ask for them.

Tee
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Old Wed Nov 09, 2005, 02:24am
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Correction:

Tee has one, Papa C. probably does too.

If you need one to support this call, write to Fed or have Tee or Papa C. send you theirs. I would try Tee first, he has it handy.


[Sorry Tee, but you asked for it. I'm a stickler for details. Do the ones from the late 70's come in handy or are you waiting for the magic moment on eBay? ]
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