Yankees @ Angels - Game 5 ALDS

[UMP25]

Originally posted by mcrowder
I hate the Yankees.... and I thought it was an awful call. It is generally accepted that since the bag is in the infield (and not in the lane), that the last step will have to come back into fair territory (out of the lane) to hit the bag. Cano was running essentially on the line (whatever previous poster said about hopping is absurd... watch it again - right foot IN the lane, left foot on the line, right foot on the right side of the line, left foot barely touching the line, right foot on the middle of the line... POP in the back, then left foot inside the lane, at the bag) and was hit right as his final step was taking him outside the lane. BAD call. But I was happy to see it. No tears for the Yank-Me's here.

Huh??? No human being is going to run with BOTH his feet on the line. It was obvious Cano was in fair territory, outside the line. Why is everyone only focusing on his reaching first base, too? If a B-R runs out of the running lane and hinders the defense's throw or receipt of said throw, it's interference. Odss decrease, of course, the worse the throw is to first, but in this scenario, that didn't come into play.

FWIW, I wanted the Yankees to win, but I believe West made the correct call.

[Rich Ives]

Originally posted by UMP25
If the throw came from the foul side, how could it have gone that far to the left of the B-R on such a straight line? It would seem the laws of physics preclude that.

Think of a capital N

Cano was running on the left line.

Molina was at the bottom of the right line

Erstad was at the top of the rignt line.

The throw was along the slanted line.

[UMP25]

I had actually thought of that, Rich, but based on the original poster's description, it didn't sound like what he described could have happened.

OK, which line is the foul line/left side of the running lane?

[Kaliix]

Have you never watched a football game? Players routinely run with both feet a mere inch from the sideline for many steps. It is very possible to do that.

We are focusing on Cano reaching first base because he didn't hinder the throw. The throw was true and could have been caught. The reason Earstad didn't catch the throw was because Cano was in his line of sight. Cano being in his line of sight (screening him from the ball) is not interference if Cano is in the running lane. To not be in the running lane, he has to have one or both feet clearly outside the lane. If his feet are touching the line, his is considered in the lane.

The last three steps before the bag, when the throw was in the air, Cano was running with both feet on the line. It is my understanding of the rule that if he is outside the running lane when he interferes with the catch, it is interference.

I don't see how an umpire can call interference with a catch before the ball is in the air. When the ball was in the air, Cano was running on the line.

So interference shouldn't have been called. Unless I am misinterpreting the rule somehow.

If one wants to argue that Cano was outside the line, then we'll have to agree to disagree. I am positive about what I saw on the replays and he was running on the line. IMHO

Originally posted by UMP25
Huh??? No human being is going to run with BOTH his feet on the line. It was obvious Cano was in fair territory, outside the line. Why is everyone only focusing on his reaching first base, too? If a B-R runs out of the running lane and hinders the defense's throw or receipt of said throw, it's interference. Odss decrease, of course, the worse the throw is to first, but in this scenario, that didn't come into play.

FWIW, I wanted the Yankees to win, but I believe West made the correct call. [/B]

[UMP25]

Dancing on a football sideline is easy to notice. Cano wasn't doing that. His left foot was clearly out of the running lane. In fact, he wasn't completely in the lane throughout his entire journey to first. Also, it appeared West didn't make the call until well after the throw was made, so I don't think he was too eager about it.

[Kaliix]

If that is what you believe then you didn't watch the replay very well and we are going to have to just disagree.

I ran slowly through the play, from the best angle, atleast 10 times. I wanted to see when the throw was made and where Cano was, in relation to the running lane, when the throw was in the air. After stopping the footage and analyzing Canos steps frame by frame, it was clear that his foot was in contact with the foul line when the ball was in the air. He did start out in fair territory, but was running on the foul line when the throw was made.

I wish I had the capability to import the footage onto my computer so that I could show you pictures of his feet in contact with the line during the time in question.

Short of that though, we presumably saw the same footage and saw two different things. Such is life...

Originally posted by UMP25
Dancing on a football sideline is easy to notice. Cano wasn't doing that. His left foot was clearly out of the running lane. In fact, he wasn't completely in the lane throughout his entire journey to first. Also, it appeared West didn't make the call until well after the throw was made, so I don't think he was too eager about it.

[fwump]

Here is text of actual rule:
7.09 is is interference by a batter or runner when:
(k) In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of) the three foot line, or inside (to the left of) the foul line and, in the umpire's judgment, interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, or attempting to field a batted ball; The lines marking the three foot lane are a part of that "lane" but the interpretation to be made is that a runner is required to have both feet within the three foot "lane" or on the lines marking the "lane.

It was clear from the replay that both of Cano's feet were to the left of the line the last half of the distance to 1B. Looked like a great call to be...and gutsy.

Mike

[mcrowder]

Please stop taking whatever you're taking.

"No human being is going to run with BOTH his feet on the line."

Obviously you neither A) looked at this replay, nor B) have actually watched someone's feet as they run. MOST human beings, when sprinting, will have both of their feet (when the foot hits the ground) nearly directly under their center of gravity - ie: in a straight line. If they don't, they will lose balance or turn.

Football players running down the sideline only have to dance if they are out of balance (falling toward the sideline). I, for one, have run next to hundreds of players down a sideline, where said runner is not "dancing" - and seen both feet hitting the ground nearly in a straight line.

Further - if you would bother to look at the freakin' replay instead of just argue, you would see that he was on a bit of a slant at the end of the run. 5 steps before the ball hit him, his right foot was in the lane, then his left foot was in the lane on the left line, then his RIGHT foot was in the lane on the left line, then his LEFT foot was on the left side of the left line, but still on the line. As his right foot lands squarely on the line, and his left is about to step toward the base (OUTSIDE the lines, I'll add), the ball arrives.

[yankeesfan]

i guess nobodoy saw where erstad was setting up taking the throw, he was actually in foul territory and cano would of ran him right over if he was running in the running lane. horrible call based on all factors not just the runner. erstad was blocking the whole path the runner normally takes on any given play at first base. out of over 20 post not one person has mentioned this, everyone is focused solely on the runner. that was bull****.

[LMan]

Originally posted by yankeesfan
i guess nobodoy saw where erstad was setting up taking the throw, he was actually in foul territory and cano would of ran him right over if he was running in the running lane. horrible call based on all factors not just the runner. erstad was blocking the whole path the runner normally takes on any given play at first base. out of over 20 post not one person has mentioned this, everyone is focused solely on the runner. that was bull****.

huh?

[Kaliix]

I agree, I agree, I agree....

Yeah, what he said!

Originally posted by mcrowder
Please stop taking whatever you're taking.

"No human being is going to run with BOTH his feet on the line."

Obviously you neither A) looked at this replay, nor B) have actually watched someone's feet as they run. MOST human beings, when sprinting, will have both of their feet (when the foot hits the ground) nearly directly under their center of gravity - ie: in a straight line. If they don't, they will lose balance or turn.

Football players running down the sideline only have to dance if they are out of balance (falling toward the sideline). I, for one, have run next to hundreds of players down a sideline, where said runner is not "dancing" - and seen both feet hitting the ground nearly in a straight line.

Further - if you would bother to look at the freakin' replay instead of just argue, you would see that he was on a bit of a slant at the end of the run. 5 steps before the ball hit him, his right foot was in the lane, then his left foot was in the lane on the left line, then his RIGHT foot was in the lane on the left line, then his LEFT foot was on the left side of the left line, but still on the line. As his right foot lands squarely on the line, and his left is about to step toward the base (OUTSIDE the lines, I'll add), the ball arrives.

[UMP25]

Originally posted by mcrowder
Please stop taking whatever you're taking.

"No human being is going to run with BOTH his feet on the line."

Obviously you neither A) looked at this replay, nor B) have actually watched someone's feet as they run. MOST human beings, when sprinting, will have both of their feet (when the foot hits the ground) nearly directly under their center of gravity - ie: in a straight line. If they don't, they will lose balance or turn.

Football players running down the sideline only have to dance if they are out of balance (falling toward the sideline). I, for one, have run next to hundreds of players down a sideline, where said runner is not "dancing" - and seen both feet hitting the ground nearly in a straight line.

Further - if you would bother to look at the freakin' replay instead of just argue, you would see that he was on a bit of a slant at the end of the run. 5 steps before the ball hit him, his right foot was in the lane, then his left foot was in the lane on the left line, then his RIGHT foot was in the lane on the left line, then his LEFT foot was on the left side of the left line, but still on the line. As his right foot lands squarely on the line, and his left is about to step toward the base (OUTSIDE the lines, I'll add), the ball arrives.

Put a sock in it, kiddie. I looked at the replay in several different manners. I'm not "arguing." I just stated what I saw (and what apparently many others saw, according to many comments I heard on today's sports radio shows).

[mattmets]

Originally posted by yankeesfan
i guess nobodoy saw where erstad was setting up taking the throw, he was actually in foul territory and cano would of ran him right over if he was running in the running lane. horrible call based on all factors not just the runner. erstad was blocking the whole path the runner normally takes on any given play at first base. out of over 20 post not one person has mentioned this, everyone is focused solely on the runner. that was bull****.

You lost. get over it, and out of here.

[yankeesfan]

Originally posted by mattmets

You lost. get over it, and out of here.

good one. took a lot of thinking.

[mcrowder]

Originally posted by UMP25
"No human being is going to run with BOTH his feet on the line."

I just stated what I saw"

No. No you didn't. You stated that no human being is going to run with both his feet on the line. Which is nonsense.

And PLEASE don't lump THIS group in with the general populus that have no idea what the umpire SHOULD have been looking for in this case. I ask you to PLEASE go watch it again. At no point after the throw was made, until AFTER the supposed interference, did Cano's foot hit completely on the fair side of the line.

(And in case you think I'm just a mindless Yank-Me fan (I know... redundant), I LOVE that they screwed up this call.