Force or Time Play??

[U_of_I_Blue]

Originally posted by DG

There cannot be a run if a runner has touched (or passed) home base, but there is related action wherein the third out is the batter-runner before touching (or passing) first base, or the batter-runner on an appeal for missing first, or when his batted ball is caught.

Based on this I would say a batter who struck out for the third out has not reached first base before the runner scored.

DG-

If the batter never became a batter runner, your first portion of the post does not relate to the situation (as you use batter-runner there, but only batter in the second portion). Which is just how the rules are also written. I at least haven't found a refernce referring just to the batter not reaching first base, it's always batter-runner.

The way I look at it, when the third strike happens, the attempt is made a fraction of a second before the pitch is caught. As soon as the batter makes an attempt, he becomes a batter runner. If the pitch is caught, the batter-runner (who an instant ago was the batter) is out an instant after he became a BR.

At any rate, I think we all agree that the run does not score on a strikeout. And to add to your list of things that R3 is: fearless, mis-directed, clueless, out, and one he** of a fast runner.