Please, make the MLB/NCAA call

[SAump]

Everyone on this thread states that F3 missed the tag because the B/R violated the tag 3-foot rule. That point is clear, and NO longer needs to be discussed! Please don't answer with another 3-foot rule discusion. If my first assumption is wrong, then logically part of my third assumption is invalid (OOO-ya-OUT).

I said, so far alone, that the tag rule does NOT APLLY on a FORCE PLAY at 1B. WHY? It is a disadvantage for the runner not to slide. Forget the interference play, the running lane is established to protect the first baseman from a B/R spikes during a slide/step and other serious BLOWS! This was recognized by Ty Cobb and is not treated under the same scenario at the other bases. It is a force play, no-tag rule at 1B, SAFE!

I said, so far alone, that F3 missed the tag because a throwing ERROR by F6 pulled F3 off the base and away from the running lane. As a result he was in a poor position to tag a very agile B/R. This also happens on errant throws to other bases. A runner may take an inside route as the catcher is fielding the ball to the outside, far more than this 3-foot BS and SLIDE.

I said, so far alone, a B/R can legally run from left to right side of the running lane to avoid a tag or to run to second (far more than 3 feet). I have already explained why the runner had to modify his original running lane, but some of you have already questioned that interpretation. It happens routinely at every other base.

I asked if this was another J/R moment? Well, am I WRONG, WRONG,WRONG, WRONG? If asking for a clear explanation about some of the baseball rules may upset you, then allow someone else to respond. Somehow I missed something, so connect the dots for me!

[cbfoulds]

Originally posted by SAump
Everyone on this thread states that F3 missed the tag because the B/R violated the tag 3-foot rule. That point is clear, and NO longer needs to be discussed! Please don't answer with another 3-foot rule discusion. If my first assumption is wrong, then logically part of my third assumption is invalid (OOO-ya-OUT).

I said, so far alone, that the tag rule does NOT APLLY on a FORCE PLAY at 1B. WHY? It is a disadvantage for the runner not to slide. Forget the interference play, the running lane is established to protect the first baseman from a B/R spikes during a slide/step and other serious BLOWS! This was recognized by Ty Cobb and is not treated under the same scenario at the other bases. It is a force play, no-tag rule at 1B, SAFE!

I said, so far alone, that F3 missed the tag because a throwing ERROR by F6 pulled F3 off the base and away from the running lane. As a result he was in a poor position to tag a very agile B/R. This also happens on errant throws to other bases. A runner may take an inside route as the catcher is fielding the ball to the outside, far more than this 3-foot BS and SLIDE.

I said, so far alone, a B/R can legally run from left to right side of the running lane to avoid a tag or to run to second (far more than 3 feet). I have already explained why the runner had to modify his original running lane, but some of you have already questioned that interpretation. It happens routinely at every other base.

I asked if this was another J/R moment? Well, am I WRONG, WRONG,WRONG, WRONG? If asking for a clear explanation about some of the baseball rules may upset you, then allow someone else to respond. Somehow I missed something, so connect the dots for me!

Perhaps, SA, if your posts didn't read like Faulkner [The Sound and The Fury comes immediately to mind], it might be easier for others to respond to your ?question(s)?

Basically, everyone seems to be saying that the play in question SHOULD be called like Yeast wants it [duh... he's the national supervisor] and that your "interpretation" has no merit. That you are alone in your position OUGHT to "connect the dots" for you.

EDIT>>>>>>>>>>>
Oh, I forgot:

The 3-foot rule "...does NOT apply to a FORCE PLAY at 1B. WHY? ....": 'cause there ain't no such thing [see: myriad prior threads here and elsewhere; rule book defn.] as a force play @ 1st.

[Edited by cbfoulds on Jul 6th, 2005 at 11:20 AM]

[LMan]

that will have no effect, I predict

[bluehair]

Originally posted by SAump
I said, so far alone, that the tag rule does NOT APLLY on a FORCE PLAY at 1B. WHY? It is a disadvantage for the runner not to slide. Forget the interference play, the running lane is established to protect the first baseman from a B/R spikes during a slide/step and other serious BLOWS! This was recognized by Ty Cobb and is not treated under the same scenario at the other bases. It is a force play, no-tag rule at 1B, SAFE!

You may be correct about the origin of the 45 ft lane, I have no idea, but you're point that the 45 foot lane is currently used to protect F3 is obsolete. I've seen spiking where the runner used this lane. We can/do protect F3 (via ejection/suspension) without need for the 45 foot lane.

Originally posted by SAump
but some of you have already questioned that (my) interpretation. It happens routinely at every other base.

No wonder.


[Edited by bluehair on Jul 6th, 2005 at 11:06 AM]

[Dave Hensley]

Originally posted by cbfoulds
Perhaps, SA, if your posts didn't read like Faulkner [The Sound and The Fury comes immediately to mind], it might be easier for others to respond to your ?question(s)?

A-frickin'-men.

[GarthB]

Has WCB returned?

[Kaliix]

SAump,
Your contention that the tag rule (runner avoids tag by running more than three feet away from his baseline) does not apply at first base IS WRONG! Plain and simple.

I have checked the J/R manual, OBR, the BRD and the JEA and not one of those sources support your theory. Please cite some rule or interpretation that you think concurs with the interpretation that you have seemingly made up.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by SAump
Everyone on this thread states that F3 missed the tag because the B/R violated the tag 3-foot rule. That point is clear, and NO longer needs to be discussed! Please don't answer with another 3-foot rule discusion. If my first assumption is wrong, then logically part of my third assumption is invalid (OOO-ya-OUT).

Correct assumption. Given that, I'm not sure why we need the rest of the discussion. There's nothing in the rules that indicates, "A runner is out when he goes out of his established basepath by more than three feet to avoid a tag, except ...."

I said, so far alone, that the tag rule does NOT APLLY on a FORCE PLAY at 1B. WHY? It is a disadvantage for the runner not to slide. Forget the interference play, the running lane is established to protect the first baseman from a B/R spikes during a slide/step and other serious BLOWS! This was recognized by Ty Cobb and is not treated under the same scenario at the other bases. It is a force play, no-tag rule at 1B, SAFE!

Wrong analysis. Apparently it *is* an advantage for the runner -- that's why he was "safe" on hte play in the video.

I said, so far alone, that F3 missed the tag because a throwing ERROR by F6 pulled F3 off the base and away from the running lane. As a result he was in a poor position to tag a very agile B/R. This also happens on errant throws to other bases. A runner may take an inside route as the catcher is fielding the ball to the outside, far more than this 3-foot BS and SLIDE.

You are correct that the poor throw led to the play. Bit, that's not relevant. And, at the "other bases" you mentioned, while the feet might move more that 3' form the path, part of the body does not -- that's how the runner grabs the base with the hand (as in one of your examples)

I said, so far alone, a B/R can legally run from left to right side of the running lane to avoid a tag or to run to second (far more than 3 feet). I have already explained why the runner had to modify his original running lane, but some of you have already questioned that interpretation. It happens routinely at every other base.

Wrong.

I asked if this was another J/R moment? Well, am I WRONG, WRONG,WRONG, WRONG? If asking for a clear explanation about some of the baseball rules may upset you, then allow someone else to respond. Somehow I missed something, so connect the dots for me!

I think you were Right, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.

[SAump]

Kalix and fellow Superiors,

With all due respect, I began the thread with a reference to JR, situations not covered in the rule book.

Hilarious comments aside, I made up the "stuff" based on my understanding of the real history of baseball (not Lil Abner D's), the intent of the rulemakers, and above all, the spirit of the game. However, I see that sometimes to keep the harmony and peace, one has to tow the party line and not make waves, which is pretty much the philosophy found on this website. F, CLASS FAILED!

The tag rule does apply at all FOUR bases. The lil wordsters were ALL RIGHT! Each and every one of them. PLEEASEEE FORGIVE little ole me FOR HAVING YOU READ TOO MUCH or MAKING YOU RESPOND! Such wize comments, as the NO Force per rulebook, remind me of those RUNNERS out of George's sock, Jose's nose and Reggie's butt. But nobody saw the humor in them at the time, either. IF ONLY THAT FIRST BASEMAN WOULD HAVE TOUCHED THE BAG OR TAGGED THAT RUNNER, IT WOULD HAVE REMOVED THE FORCE and EDITED THE MY RULEBOOK!

My question concerns the 3-foot rule these top/big/mean dogs stated and someone else confirmed. By the way lil wordsters, that was one hell of a BANGER or BANGOR. Where I come from? That' MY UMPIRE'S DECISION and it's SAFE!

I hope you FLIP-FLOPS learned something while I limp away to heal with a few bite marks! ADIOS FOR A LONG WHILE!

[cbfoulds]

I believe we've seen SA before under a different handle [no, Garth, not WCB]: the "real history...intent of the rulemakers...spirit of the game" silliness, combined with irrational capitalization and general inaccuracy and incoherency, are diagnostic and distinctive.

Fellow 'netsters: I give you SAump, the idiot formerly known [at least on the NFHS site] as TRUEBLUE. Don't let the cyber-door smack you on the brain on your way out SA.

[Edited by cbfoulds on Jul 6th, 2005 at 02:31 PM]

[LDUB]

Originally posted by cbfoulds
Fellow 'netsters: I give you SAump, the idiot formerly known [at least on the NFHS site] as TRUEBLUE. Don't let the cyber-door smack you on the brain on your way out SA.

Is that the guy who claimed that pitchers must take their sign while on the rubber to prevent a quick pitch? If it is, that guy was an idiot. He tried to say he played for the Orioles, which he thought would make everyone think he was a rules expert. Eventually after he was proven wrong so many times on several issues, he claimed to be a 12 year old kid just looking to stir up trouble. Then he did a Porter like act of deleting every post he had ever made.

Funny I should write of Porter and deleting posts right after his latest power craze.

[cbfoulds]

Originally posted by LDUB

Is that the guy who claimed that pitchers must take their sign while on the rubber to prevent a quick pitch? If it is, that guy was an idiot. He tried to say he played for the Orioles, which he thought would make everyone think he was a rules expert. Eventually after he was proven wrong so many times on several issues, he claimed to be a 12 year old kid just looking to stir up trouble. Then he did a Porter like act of deleting every post he had ever made.

Yep, that's the one.

A fit for location, style, content, and intelligence.
If SA ain't TB, they're clones.

[SAump]

CATASTROPHE, MAJOR ERROR NOTED: TAG VS 3-FOOT TAG

Correction to Original POST: Connect the DOTS
(COPY)
Please don't answer with another [3-foot] rule discussion. If my first assumption is wrong, then logically part of my third assumption is invalid (OOO-ya-OUT).

I said, so far alone, that the [tag] rule does NOT APLLY on a FORCE PLAY at 1B. WHY? It is a disadvantage for the runner not to slide. Forget ....
(END OF COPY)

CATASTROPHE, MAJOR ERROR NOTED: TAG VS 3-FOOT TAG REVERSAL

My apologies to everyone. I never meant to imply that there was any question about a required tag or touch at first base. That was a huge mistake/error on my part. No wonder some of the replies were so FORCE-fully objectionable by RULE. I apologize for wasting your time with that lark of a comment. :<( Original emphasis and all other parts of discussion should pertain only to the three-foot requirement. I meant to say something like that! I understand one (flip-flop) mistake and the thread falls apart. It feels like a group hug or reversing a callr, OOO-ya-OUT!

Keep up the one-liners and messenger attacks >>> FUNNY

[LDUB]

Originally posted by SAump
CATASTROPHE, MAJOR ERROR NOTED: TAG VS 3-FOOT TAG

Correction to Original POST: Connect the DOTS
(COPY)
Please don't answer with another [3-foot] rule discussion. If my first assumption is wrong, then logically part of my third assumption is invalid (OOO-ya-OUT).

I said, so far alone, that the [tag] rule does NOT APLLY on a FORCE PLAY at 1B. WHY? It is a disadvantage for the runner not to slide. Forget ....
(END OF COPY)

CATASTROPHE, MAJOR ERROR NOTED: TAG VS 3-FOOT TAG REVERSAL

My apologies to everyone. I never meant to imply that there was any question about a required tag or touch at first base. That was a huge mistake/error on my part. No wonder some of the replies were so FORCE-fully objectionable by RULE. I apologize for wasting your time with that lark of a comment. :<( Original emphasis and all other parts of discussion should pertain only to the three-foot requirement. I meant to say something like that! I understand one (flip-flop) mistake and the thread falls apart. It feels like a group hug or reversing a callr, OOO-ya-OUT!

Keep up the one-liners and messenger attacks >>> FUNNY

This post is almost unreadable.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by SAump
CATASTROPHE, MAJOR ERROR NOTED: TAG VS 3-FOOT TAG

Correction to Original POST: Connect the DOTS
(COPY)
Please don't answer with another [3-foot] rule discussion. If my first assumption is wrong, then logically part of my third assumption is invalid (OOO-ya-OUT).

I said, so far alone, that the [tag] rule does NOT APLLY on a FORCE PLAY at 1B. WHY? It is a disadvantage for the runner not to slide. Forget ....
(END OF COPY)

CATASTROPHE, MAJOR ERROR NOTED: TAG VS 3-FOOT TAG REVERSAL

My apologies to everyone. I never meant to imply that there was any question about a required tag or touch at first base. That was a huge mistake/error on my part. No wonder some of the replies were so FORCE-fully objectionable by RULE. I apologize for wasting your time with that lark of a comment. :<( Original emphasis and all other parts of discussion should pertain only to the three-foot requirement. I meant to say something like that! I understand one (flip-flop) mistake and the thread falls apart. It feels like a group hug or reversing a callr, OOO-ya-OUT!

Keep up the one-liners and messenger attacks >>> FUNNY