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Old Sun Jul 03, 2005, 09:33am
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A coach is not supposed to know these things. That's why you have umpires.

A coach can learn these things the same way we do, obtain all the supporting material. That could include; Casebooks, J/R manual, the BRD, PBUC manual, MLB umpires manual, get a copy of the JEA (if you can, tell me how), etc.

If coaches don't want to buy and study the above, then they should just convince the players union to allow the rules to be re-written, updated and corrected. That is the excuse I've been given as to why it hasn't been done.


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"It took me two years to figure that out . . ."


EXACTLY!



So how's a coach supposed to know those things? He has the rule book, but not the "other stuff" and there are no indicators in the rule book that the "other stuff" even exists.

And coaches that want to learn have a hard time finding out the "real" answers because some of the responders on the various forums/boards just brush them off with a "go read the book" - the one that doesn't have the answers.
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Old Sun Jul 03, 2005, 11:16am
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A coach can learn these things the same way we do, obtain all the supporting material. That could include; Casebooks, J/R manual, the BRD, PBUC manual, MLB umpires manual, get a copy of the JEA (if you can, tell me how), etc.

If coaches don't want to buy and study the above, then they should just convince the players union to allow the rules to be re-written, updated and corrected. That is the excuse I've been given as to why it hasn't been done.




You're not getting it.

The coaches don't even know those resources even exist.
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Old Sun Jul 03, 2005, 11:17am
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Kaliix: get a copy of the JEA (if you can, tell me how)




Can't tell you, you have your e-mail blocked (hint).

[Edited by Rich Ives on Jul 3rd, 2005 at 12:25 PM]
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Old Sun Jul 03, 2005, 11:26am
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I would say that the majority of coaches haven't even read the rule book. If they choose to remain ignorant of the rules, there's not much we can do about it. Coaches have to want the knowledge, it is not going to come to them. Anyone with a bit of motivation can find all the material they need to start understanding the rules.

A simple internet search on "baseball rules" or "rules of baseball" will get coaches to some very helpful sites. The J/R manual is among them.

If a coach asked me about the rules, I'd be happy to point them in the right direction.


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Originally posted by Rich Ives
A coach can learn these things the same way we do, obtain all the supporting material. That could include; Casebooks, J/R manual, the BRD, PBUC manual, MLB umpires manual, get a copy of the JEA (if you can, tell me how), etc.

If coaches don't want to buy and study the above, then they should just convince the players union to allow the rules to be re-written, updated and corrected. That is the excuse I've been given as to why it hasn't been done.




You're not getting it.

The coaches don't even know those resources even exist.
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Old Sun Jul 03, 2005, 12:27pm
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Originally posted by Rich Ives
"It took me two years to figure that out . . ."


EXACTLY!



So how's a coach supposed to know those things? He has the rule book, but not the "other stuff" and there are no indicators in the rule book that the "other stuff" even exists.

And coaches that want to learn have a hard time finding out the "real" answers because some of the responders on the various forums/boards just brush them off with a "go read the book" - the one that doesn't have the answers.
But others answer their questions with courtesy and accuracy.

And then get argued with.
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