Batter avoid bad pitch.

Bartman · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Jun 23, 2005, 04:29pm

Say umps,
What is your interpretation of avoiding being hit by a pitch, I had a batter turn his inside shoulder in toward the plate and was hit by the ball. He made no attempt to vacate out of the batting box. Batters feet never moved either. The coach said that is the way they are training the kids.

SeattleMetroUmp · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Jun 23, 2005, 05:28pm

This is one move that pisses me off umpiring baseball. If a kid does that crap I don't care what level I am umpiring, B.R. Jr. Legion, Sr. Legion, he stays in the batters box and it is ball on the batter.

Mike

mick · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Jun 23, 2005, 05:35pm

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Originally posted by Bartman
Say umps,
What is your interpretation of avoiding being hit by a pitch, I had a batter turn his inside shoulder in toward the plate and was hit by the ball. He made no attempt to vacate out of the batting box. Batters feet never moved either. The coach said that is the way they are training the kids.

If the batter is lookin' for a way out and not for a way to first, that can work for me.

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Originally posted by SeattleMetroUmp
This is one move that pisses me off umpiring baseball. If a kid does that crap I don't care what level I am umpiring, B.R. Jr. Legion, Sr. Legion, he stays in the batters box and it is ball on the batter.

Would you have a reference for a ball call where the BR is attempting to avoid?

aevans410 · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Jun 23, 2005, 07:14pm

Im with Mick on this one

Inside fastball, he turns his back/side to, the batters getting first.

Looping curve/change up that he does the same thing, Hes staying in the box.

David B · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Jun 23, 2005, 08:42pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Bartman
Say umps,
What is your interpretation of avoiding being hit by a pitch, I had a batter turn his inside shoulder in toward the plate and was hit by the ball. He made no attempt to vacate out of the batting box. Batters feet never moved either. The coach said that is the way they are training the kids.

The bottom line is intent. If I think the batter tried to get hit by leaning, sticking an arm out, etc., I call it.

Simply turning into the pitch is not a reason to leave the batter in the box.

If I'm the batter I'm not going to stand there and get hit in the face with the ball.

That is correct baseball training.

But I know intent when I see it. If its a curve ball I might give the batter more leeway, but I'm also not going to reward the pitcher for a bad pitch.

Thanks
David

DG · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Jun 23, 2005, 09:53pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Bartman
Say umps,
What is your interpretation of avoiding being hit by a pitch, I had a batter turn his inside shoulder in toward the plate and was hit by the ball. He made no attempt to vacate out of the batting box. Batters feet never moved either. The coach said that is the way they are training the kids.

If he leans into a pitch he stays, otherwise he goes. I don't see a lot of guys lean into one so I send a lot of guys to 1B.

whatgameyouwatchinblue · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Jun 23, 2005, 11:41pm

aevans410

A curve is the time to turn on the pitch. A good hitter will stride, read the curve, wait for the break, and react to the pitch.

Usually there is no time to back out from a breaking ball. Thats why you roll with it.

GarthB · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Jun 24, 2005, 12:19am

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Originally posted by SeattleMetroUmp
This is one move that pisses me off umpiring baseball. If a kid does that crap I don't care what level I am umpiring, B.R. Jr. Legion, Sr. Legion, he stays in the batters box and it is ball on the batter.

Mike

Do you belong to NBUA?

Tim C · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Jun 24, 2005, 08:07am

It matters . . .

As you all probably know (i.e. old news) the NFHS is considering bringing the HBP rule in line with the NCAA.

The change being considered is that if the batter is hit by pitch and the ball is located inside the batter's box then the hitter does not need to make an attempt to get out of the way.

This would mean, that similar to NCAA, a hitter could turn and let a ball hit him and if the occurance was inside the batter's box it would by HBP.

Now I personally ONLY refuse to award the base on HBP if a batter ATTEMPTS to be hit. Turning the shoulder is fine for me.

Unlike SeattleMetroUmp my association understands the game of baseball.

aevans410 · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Jun 24, 2005, 08:16am

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Originally posted by whatgameyouwatchinblue
aevans410

A curve is the time to turn on the pitch. A good hitter will stride, read the curve, wait for the break, and react to the pitch.

Usually there is no time to back out from a breaking ball. Thats why you roll with it.

I should have been more clear, I mean a big looping curve that the batte turns a shoulder into intentionally to get hit. My illustration was intended to describe a hitter turning into a fastball for protection rather than turning into a pitch for a free base. I won't penalize a hitter for hanging in on a good quality.

SeattleMetroUmp · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Jun 24, 2005, 04:12pm

I agree with Allen on this one. That's all I'm saying. Hey getting beaned with a fastball is one thing, but a change, curve, or a slide piece is another.

Mike

GarthB · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Jun 24, 2005, 05:34pm

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Originally posted by SeattleMetroUmp
I agree with Allen on this one. That's all I'm saying. Hey getting beaned with a fastball is one thing, but a change, curve, or a slide piece is another.

Mike

Actually, if the batter is waiting out the curve, he's even more justified in getting first without a real attempt to avoid.

Again, SeattleMetro, do you belong to NBUA?

Tim C · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Jun 24, 2005, 05:41pm

If a hitter ATTEMPTS to get hit (intent) that changes the rules.

The speed of the pitch has NOTHING to do with giving the base.

Again, contrary to SeattleMetro, who is failing to answer GrathB's question.

David B · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Jun 24, 2005, 06:16pm

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Originally posted by SeattleMetroUmp
I agree with Allen on this one. That's all I'm saying. Hey getting beaned with a fastball is one thing, but a change, curve, or a slide piece is another.

Mike

By rule there is no difference in the two.

An old umpire said "I know a strike when I see one" and a veteran umpire will say "I know when a batter gets hit on purpose."

The type of pitch in reality has nothing to do with it, I mentioned that as a guide for young umpires who might be reading. (and for guys umpiring guys who don't shave)

Thanks
David

SeattleMetroUmp · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 27, 2005, 02:02pm

Garth I do both umpiring (fastpitch and baseball). I do fastpitch up in Seattle for Seattle Metro Softball Umpires Assoc. and then I do 80% baseball in Centralia, Chehalis, etc. for Twin City Umpires Assoc. Right now I'm not a member of NBUA for no reason other than I just have not joined, but I probably will next year once the season gets going in earnest.

Mike