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drumbum565 Wed Jun 22, 2005 02:36pm

As far as takeing crap, you dont need to worry. I lead my association in ejections.

TBBlue Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:03am

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Originally posted by drumbum565
As far as takeing crap, you dont need to worry. I lead my association in ejections.
Not always something to be proud of. I have two in my career, and have only been close to one more.

I have 200-300 games in roughly. I can name the only three instances where game got out of hand.

1. I balked a lefty for stepping off from the wind up with the correct foot. Winning run scored. I refused to change the call. Not pretty.

2. I was screened by R3 on bouncer down third base line. Ball had huge spin on it, kicked 90 degrees into foul territory, near the base. I didn't see it hit the base, but called it fair because of the 90 degree turn the ball took. Winning run scored. VERY, VERY UGLY, because partner wasn't looking at ball and gave me no help when asked. Runner who scored said "thanks Blue". That one was a huge gross miss and I paid for it the rest of the game.

3. I safed a pulled foot on 1b from C, defense Mgr. asked me to check PU. I did (oops) plate guy says absolutely he held base, I reversed call, effectively ending a last inning rally. Kind of ugly, but I left through winners dugout so didn't hear exactly what kind of equine feces I was.

That's it in 2 years of calling all levels through H.S. If you consistently call a good game, you won't have issues 99% of the time.

Tim C Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:05am

Well,
 
I have 314 ejections.

But I have worked more games than some.

HOWEVER only two of these are in the last six years.

mcrowder Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:49pm

Anytime I hear an official I'm working with brag about his high ejection total, as dumbrumb just did, I try to work as few games with that guy as possible. It's nothing to brag about - as often it's an indication that you let things get away from you far too often.

jumpmaster Thu Jun 23, 2005 01:41pm

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Originally posted by mcrowder
Anytime I hear an official I'm working with brag about his high ejection total, as dumbrumb just did, I try to work as few games with that guy as possible. It's nothing to brag about - as often it's an indication that you let things get away from you far too often.
I disagree, sometimes. It often is a case of an umpire that can't manage the game. However, look at Tim C. I would wager he has figured out the game management business.

I have two ejections this year. Coach barked about balls and strikes, I said "that's enough." He said "I've had enough of you." Buh-Bye.

14 yr old city semi-final game, bottom of 1st, 2 outs. BR grumbles about a called strike 2, drops bat. Same pitch, called strike 3. Both were waist high down the middle of the plate. As he stomps away, he says "that's bullcrap." Buh-bye. He throws helmet, bat and leaves the field in tears like a 6 yr old girl. Momma chasing him squaking "baby, baby, it's ok." Coach walks by and says "thanks, he has been a hot-head all year." I bit my toungue to keep from saying, "maybe if his coach would act like an adult and grow a set we wouldn't be having this conversation."

Two uniquely different games, skill levels and management techniques. Both sent the right message at the right time. An ejection is a tool to use. Unfortunately, inexperienced guys don't know how to use it effectively.

LDUB Thu Jun 23, 2005 03:26pm

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Originally posted by mcrowder
Anytime I hear an official I'm working with brag about his high ejection total, as dumbrumb just did, I try to work as few games with that guy as possible. It's nothing to brag about - as often it's an indication that you let things get away from you far too often.
To an extent, many ejections is a bad thing. But it depends on what level you are working.

Drumbum said he is calling in a "high school aged league". I would assume that this means that the coaches are just the player's dads. As everyone knows, these coaches have less knowledge of the rules than "school" coaches, and they have far less knowledge of how to conduct oneself on the field.

It is one thing to let the game get out of hand, and you end up having to eject a few people. That is very differenct from a coach coming out to argue with you, and doing something stupid, which they get ejected for.

Last night, I called a Babe Ruth game with HS players, probally similar to drumbum's games. There was R1 with one out. Line drive to F6, who catches, and throws wild to F3 in an attempt to get R1 out on appeal. The wild throw ends up in the dugout. I send R1 to third on the 2 base award, which of course stirs up the defensive dugout.

The manager came out to argue. I stand there, listen, and reply "No, that's not correct. It is a 2 base award." The manager then turns his back to me, starts waving his hands above his head, and begins yelling to the spectators about how everyone knows I am wrong, and such.

Of course the manager was ejected. This was the only time anyone said anything about anything the whole game. It was a single event, in which the manager didn't know the rules, or how to conduct himself on the field, which in turn caused him to be removed from the game.

mcrowder Thu Jun 23, 2005 03:29pm

You both missed my point. It is not the fact of the high number of ejections that gets me worried. Tee, for example, mentioned a high number, and is (from my perception of his comments here) a good official. But Tee didn't mention it in a bragging way.

DB did. It's officials that BRAG about being quick on the trigger that are almost always scary.

jumpmaster Thu Jun 23, 2005 04:12pm

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Originally posted by mcrowder
It's officials that BRAG about being quick on the trigger that are almost always scary.
to that I would agree.


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