Thats what im saying, it will happen if you're a bad umpire or a good one it doen't matter.

Thats the motto of the bad umpire.

In reality, it happens far, far less often to good umpires.

Not really on that. There are times where there are conflicts between and umpire and a team or coach. It just happens. Sometimes it maybe over a call. Or it could be over a whole game. I had a horrible game in my younger days at a perticular school. I have improved greatly since then, but there is a coach at the school that I can never do right by since.
We have another very good official that cannot call at another school do to some conflict with the head coach there. We literally had to have him and another official swap fields to avoid the situation. The fields were clear accross town from one another.

Really on that!

Take what Garth has said to heart, because it is true, true, true.

"Thats the motto of the bad umpire.

In reality, it happens far, far less often to good umpires."

Sounds like you work in an area that needs some SERIOUS administrative control. That team should be done for the season. Even though we have to see that crap on TV in MLB, there is NO place for it in baseball. If that happened in NCAA, there would be SERIOUS ramifications. High-school? Their season might be done. Younger - there's no question that they should be done (and perhaps the coach done for life if he went out there with them).

<b>Well ideally that may be correct assumption, but reality is different.

If he's that good of an official then he should know how to handle a coach and you don't let it interfere with any present game.

I've had coaches that I've had to eject time and time again, they don't like me, but when it comes down to it they want me calling their big game because they know I'm going to do a good job.

Another coach that scratched me in HS one season, he moved and still comes in our area twice a year, and they always give me his games because he's a problem coach.

I don't like him, he don't like me, but we have a mutual agreement. Ironically, this year he won the state championship in his division and guess who had his regional and semi-final games?

He showed his tail, (usually to my partners) I had to put him in his place and all was well. But, it was a good game and they ended up winning.

Thanks
David

To expand on what Garth so eloquently said.

-Good umpires DO in deed have their judgement questioned.
-Good umpires know their judgement is solid and nothing phases them (most of the time anyway).
-Good umpires know when they missed a play, kicked one, etc. They don't need an excuse to hide behind.
-Good umpires know when they're getting worked by a coach, and a good coach knows whether he can work an umpire or not.

Am I saying your not a good umpire, not at all, I've never seen you work. I can say that I thought the same way you did when I was first starting out. I realized I was the problem, not the coaches. I got better, I strive to get better every game.

My advice, do the game unless your fearing bodily harm. Be courteous, but firm if you have to be. Don't accomodate them, but if you have to launch them, don't hesitate.

Indeed, there are times good umpires have conflicts. But, if, as time goes by, those instances are not getting fewer and farther between, you are not improving.

I see what your saying.

reinforcement
 

Last year my chapter had a senior umpire involved in a close play, an argument and a valid ejection of a player for charging the umpire and making contact. Following the game the player and his Dad/Coach followed the umpire to his car and threatened and harassed both umpires until the police eventually had to be called....

The game occurred on an the evening of our weekly summer chapter meeting. After hearing the story a phone call was made to the league.......and they were told by our association president that NO umpires will be reporting for ANY games until the offenders were punished..........

end result, Dad/coach banned from league permanently, Player suspended for the rest of the season.....

Makes paying the association dues worth every penny....so Im hoping that your association group will back you up and offer support......and some training and guidance on conflict management......



[Edited by piaa_ump on Jun 22nd, 2005 at 12:11 PM]

I meant to ask earlier, where is "K" in rule 10, section1, article 2? I've looked for "K" and can't find it anywhere.

Garth, its right next to O in rule 10, section 1, article 2 ;)

OK

I have passed the following "words" or semi-words, or combinations of letters through the UNIVERSAL TRANSLATOR, and its coming up with Zilch. Of course, I could just Bare my mind too!

drumbum...
 

From the tone of your posts you seem to be an inexperienced umpire.

I recommend that you work the game...with one of the big dogs in your group. Have him go with you to watch your back. Let your "inner-Stalin" free and take charge of the game. Don't take any crap, not even a fart from upwind.

I would wager that the coaches are perceiving a "weakness" in you and are on it like a dog on a ham bone. If you are a real redneck you will understand what I mean...I should know, I is one.