Ball Hit a Second Time

[ozzy6900]

CoachJM, you're a veteran on this board and I was laughing when I read your comment about where do I get my material.Rich Ives also had some humor in his response but there were 2 posters that hit the other thread around 12:00 or so. Not very professional and I cannot remember who they were. When I returned from lunch, the posts were not there anymore. It's okay, because after I got ticked off, I started this thread and we all got educated.

I'm so happy, I'm going to crack open a beer!

[UmpJM]

Ozzy,

Cool. I think I'll follow your lead, beverage-wise.

JM

[mabmab]

I'm interested in your take on the comment below...

"We all seen the youth batter trying to bunt or taking the lazy swing and contacting the ball twice." ......

Is that an automatic out and dead ball??

thanks.,

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Thank You, Dave. I did miss 4.16 in the PBUC. I opened the damn thing up just now and there it was starring me in the face. OBR 6.05(h) & 7.09(b) have only come into play for me when I used to do younger players. We all seen the youth batter trying to bunt or taking the lazy swing and contacting the ball twice. Might I add that neither rule have any mention of a released bat. Most of us assume that the batter is still holding the bat. But the PBUC (at least for me) is the best explaination. Now after 20 years of plate work, I've never seen a released bat contact a fair batted ball, but when I do, I'll rule with confidence!

This is a great example of how to answer a question. Dave didn't just sit there and say "it's in the MLBUM", a book that most of us are not privy to. He sited material that most of us have. Yes, I missed it and now I am more educated. Yes, I'm a stubborn old fart and I admit it. Thanks again, Dave!

[johnnyg08]

holy blow the dust off of a thread...wow...everybody has access to the PBUC manual. not sure when I last saw one updated...but you can buy one off of Evans' site.

[DG]

Originally Posted by mabmab

I'm interested in your take on the comment below...

"We all seen the youth batter trying to bunt or taking the lazy swing and contacting the ball twice." ......

Is that an automatic out and dead ball??

thanks.,

If a batted ball makes contact with the bat, while bat still in batter's hands while batter is still in the box, then the ball is FOUL. I have seen this several times on bunts that go straight down and come back up and contact the bat over fair ground and have my share of discussions with defensive coaches who want an out in this case. Hasn't happened yet.