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"Dave, the OBR and LL version are very similar, and the meaning of the rules is identical, but the two versions are not verbatim. The LL version has been altered to remove gender-specific references. For example, 5.11 (OBR) is:
"... play shall be resumed when the pitcher takes his place on the pitcher's plate with a new ball or the same ball in his possession..."
The 2005 LL version is:
"...play shall be resumed when the pitcher takes a position on the pitcher's plate with a new ball or the same ball in said pitcher's possesion..."

These differences are trivial for the discussion in this thread. But I wonder if you have a LL rulebook in which 5.11 is truly identical to the OBR? If so, what is its title"
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This ties for the most wasteful post on the internet.

Mick Notes: <b>13-, 16- or 20-yr.-old umpires do not have access to your information or resources. </b>

Dave used the OBR and the LL rule book and found them identical. Again, I am not a Little League umpire, but it's difficult for me to understand that ANY LL umpire would not have access to those two books.

Before this thread, I was with Mick based on LL rule.

Had this sitch.

I'm PU, R3. HC calls time and brings infield together.
As they break I hear the HC say "don't get on the rubber".

Right there I know the ball cannot be put back into play until the pitcher has the ball and is on the rubber. NP

Well, the pitcher goes and stands right on the rubber with his hands together as if to start the windup. I now figure he has the ball and I may have just been assuming a play. I still have my hand up signalling the ball is still dead. F5 now comes up and tags R3 who begins his lead off.

I say the ball is still dead, get the ball to the pitcher.

The thing is, I was just about to put the ball into play, and if I did, I'm sure I would have balked him. Based on 8.05 i.

Now I know better, thanks!

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Originally posted by Dave Reed
Originally posted by Dave Hensley
I researched the OBR and LL versions of each rule you cited, and they are identical, verbatim.

Dave, the OBR and LL version are very similar, and the meaning of the rules is identical, but the two versions are not verbatim. The LL version has been altered to remove gender-specific references. For example, 5.11 (OBR) is:
"... play shall be resumed when the pitcher takes his place on the pitcher's plate with a new ball or the same ball in his possession..."
The 2005 LL version is:
"...play shall be resumed when the pitcher takes a position on the pitcher's plate with a new ball or the same ball in said pitcher's possesion..."

These differences are trivial for the discussion in this thread. But I wonder if you have a LL rulebook in which 5.11 is truly identical to the OBR? If so, what is its title?

My citations were from the 2005 Rules Instruction Manual, which contains the rules, as well as casebook comments and instructor comments. The RIM does include the gender-neutralizing modifications you mention; I simply didn't notice those minor differences when I was comparing the rules Mick had cited to the OBR versions.