balk! - Page 2

LDUB · #16 (**permalink**) Mon May 09, 2005, 05:01pm

The second play on the April 2004 NCAA video bulletin shows a pitcher balking to second base.

Dave Hensley · #17 (**permalink**) Mon May 09, 2005, 08:22pm

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Originally posted by Tim C
We are beginning to waste bandwidth.

I think that translates, roughly, to "yes, OK, fine, that would be a balk to second base."

A feint or throw to attempt to pickoff an R2, without the required step ahead of the feint/throw, would, in the commonly accepted jargon of the game, constitute a "balk to second base."

IIITBTSB is a useful training maxim to rein in the "Balkin' Bob" wannabes. It doesn't need to be completely and totally accurate to fulfill its purpose.

tiger49 · #18 (**permalink**) Tue May 10, 2005, 06:40pm

Tim,

I just got done a High School Game here in Canada and just called a balk to second!

F1 with the bases loaded wheeled around and in one motion threw to F4 who was 15ft away from 2nd and a good 60ft from any runner.

DG · #19 (**permalink**) Tue May 10, 2005, 07:51pm

Quote:

Originally posted by tiger49
Tim,

I just got done a High School Game here in Canada and just called a balk to second!

F1 with the bases loaded wheeled around and in one motion threw to F4 who was 15ft away from 2nd and a good 60ft from any runner.

Bad call. Being close the bag and making a play is only an issue at 1B.

David B · #20 (**permalink**) Wed May 11, 2005, 12:34am

Quote:

Originally posted by tiger49
Tim,

I just got done a High School Game here in Canada and just called a balk to second!

F1 with the bases loaded wheeled around and in one motion threw to F4 who was 15ft away from 2nd and a good 60ft from any runner.

And the rule reference for your call please?

There is a lot of merit to be learned from the saying IIITBTSB. If you are in doubt then don't call it, because its probably a missed call.

If there is a balk involving a runner at second base, then its usually because the pitcher did something illegal as far as the pitch etc., it has nothing to do with his move to second base, (of which just about anything is legal)

Thanks
David

GarthB · #21 (**permalink**) Wed May 11, 2005, 12:35am

Quote:

Originally posted by tiger49
Tim,

I just got done a High School Game here in Canada and just called a balk to second!

F1 with the bases loaded wheeled around and in one motion threw to F4 who was 15ft away from 2nd and a good 60ft from any runner.

And you called this why?

Rich · #22 (**permalink**) Wed May 11, 2005, 02:21am

Quote:

Originally posted by tiger49
Tim,

I just got done a High School Game here in Canada and just called a balk to second!

F1 with the bases loaded wheeled around and in one motion threw to F4 who was 15ft away from 2nd and a good 60ft from any runner.

As long as he STEPPED towards an occupied base, the move is legal. F1 only has to throw to the base (or to a fielder making a play) at first base.

IIITBTSB.

bob jenkins · #23 (**permalink**) Wed May 11, 2005, 07:56am

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Originally posted by Dave Hensley

IIITBTSB is a useful training maxim to rein in the "Balkin' Bob" wannabes. It doesn't need to be completely and totally accurate to fulfill its purpose.

Also, recognize that "IIITBTSB" does NOT mean It Is Impossible To Balk While Attempting To Throw Or Feint To Second Base

[Edited by bob jenkins on May 11th, 2005 at 01:48 PM]

Tim C · #24 (**permalink**) Wed May 11, 2005, 08:12am

"F1 with the bases loaded wheeled around and in one motion threw to F4 who was 15ft away from 2nd and a good 60ft from any runner."

Not a balk in OBR according to the Evans Video, JEA and J/R.
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Dave Hensley . . . nah David, I have already defended IIITBTSB for seven years.

I will now no longer participate in threads about the issue.

It Is Impossible To Balk To Second Base, period.

tiger49 · #25 (**permalink**) Wed May 11, 2005, 11:29am

I balked it because the step was directed at the 2nd baseman more than 2nd. I guess you could say it wasn't a balk to second but a balk to the 2nd baseman.

Tim C · #26 (**permalink**) Wed May 11, 2005, 12:22pm

It was neither . . .

What you describe is legal.

There was no balk.

blueump · #27 (**permalink**) Wed May 11, 2005, 12:27pm

Legal in OBR but not FED. In Fed you must step directly to the base!

GarthB · #28 (**permalink**) Wed May 11, 2005, 12:42pm

Quote:

Originally posted by tiger49
I balked it because the step was directed at the 2nd baseman more than 2nd. I guess you could say it wasn't a balk to second but a balk to the 2nd baseman.

I'll type this very slowly and feel free to move your lips as you read.

That is not a balk. Not in OBR, not in NCAA, not in FED, not in NAIA, not in MSBL. Not even in Canada.

[Edited by GarthB on May 11th, 2005 at 02:00 PM]

Tim C · #29 (**permalink**) Wed May 11, 2005, 12:44pm

Nah, it is not a balk in FED either.

I am tired and my head hurts.

David B · #30 (**permalink**) Wed May 11, 2005, 12:54pm

Quote:

Originally posted by blueump
Legal in OBR but not FED. In Fed you must step directly to the base!

I'm with Tee, my head hurts.

If he steps anywhere behind the rubber that's 2nd.

This is not geometry.

Same with the throw to first, if he gains any ground to first, its considered a step.

Make it easy.

Thanks
David