Getting it right!

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
AA

You're a liar.

[NSump]

I have no idea who Windy is. however, if you are going to call him a liar, please provide the proof.

[Justme]

2005 NCAA Baseball Division 1 Championship
Game Officials Manual

6.11 Getting the call right

The first requisite of an umpire is to ultimately get all decisions correct. Umpire pride is important, but never as important as getting the play right. It is the philosophy of the NCAA that umpires always seek to get the call right. This may involve the reversal of a previously rendered decision. However, the correct decision – not the pride of any umpire – must prevail.

Following are general guidelines for this policy:
A) NCAA rule 3-6-f states “No umpire shall criticize or interfere with another umpire’s decision, unless asked by the one making it; however, if there is a misinterpretation of a rule, it should be brought to the attention of the umpire-in-chief.” Therefore, except in special situations such as those outlined in the next paragraph, the umpire making the call must be the one to seek assistance of a partner.
B) An umpire is urged to seek help when his view is blocked or positioning prevents him from seeing crucial elements of a play. An umpire is also encouraged to seek help in instances when he has any doubt and a partner has additional information that could lead to the proper ruling.
C) In the situations listed below, a partner who is 100% certain he has additional information unknown to the umpire making the call should approach unsolicited and alert the other umpire to such information. However, the ultimate decision to change a call rests with the calling umpire.
1) Deciding if a home run is fair or foul.
2) Deciding whether a batted ball left the playing field for a home run or ground rule double.
3) Cases where a foul tip is dropped or trapped by the catcher.
4) Cases where a foul fly ball is caught or not caught.
5) Cases when an umpire clearly errs in judgment because they did not see the ball dropped or juggled after making a tag or force.
6) Spectator interference plays.
7) Balks called by an umpire who clearly did not realize the pitcher’s foot was off the rubber.
D) Umpires are not to seek help on plays which they are 100% confident in their judgment and view of the play. Head coaches are not entitled to a second opinion when the calling umpire is certain his decision is correct. On the other hand, and contrary to past practice, umpires are not to “die with a call” in cases where a) the calling umpire is not 100% certain he is right; and b) another umpire has additional information which could lead to a proper ruling. Both NCAA philosophy and umpire integrity – consistent with NCAA rules – dictate that calls be reversed in this situation.
E) Skipped, tells how to conference.
F) Judgment calls, which have traditionally not been subject to reversal include: steal and other tag plays (except if the ball is dropped without the umpire’s knowledge as discussed above); force plays (when the ball is not dropped and foot is not pulled); balls and strikes (other than check swings). This practice shall continue. Also, some calls cannot be reversed without creating larger problems. An example is a “catch/no catch” with multiple runners.

Originally posted by NSump
I have no idea who Windy is. however, if you are going to call him a liar, please provide the proof.

If you don't even know who the **** he is, how am I supposed to provide proof he is a lair?

Duhh..........

Originally posted by Justme
2005 NCAA Baseball Division 1 Championship
Game Officials Manual

6.11 Getting the call right

The first requisite of an umpire is to ultimately get all decisions correct. Umpire pride is important, but never as important as getting the play right. It is the philosophy of the NCAA that umpires always seek to get the call right. This may involve the reversal of a previously rendered decision. However, the correct decision – not the pride of any umpire – must prevail.

Following are general guidelines for this policy:
A) NCAA rule 3-6-f states “No umpire shall criticize or interfere with another umpire’s decision, unless asked by the one making it; however, if there is a misinterpretation of a rule, it should be brought to the attention of the umpire-in-chief.” Therefore, except in special situations such as those outlined in the next paragraph, the umpire making the call must be the one to seek assistance of a partner.
B) An umpire is urged to seek help when his view is blocked or positioning prevents him from seeing crucial elements of a play. An umpire is also encouraged to seek help in instances when he has any doubt and a partner has additional information that could lead to the proper ruling.
C) In the situations listed below, a partner who is 100% certain he has additional information unknown to the umpire making the call should approach unsolicited and alert the other umpire to such information. However, the ultimate decision to change a call rests with the calling umpire.
1) Deciding if a home run is fair or foul.
2) Deciding whether a batted ball left the playing field for a home run or ground rule double.
3) Cases where a foul tip is dropped or trapped by the catcher.
4) Cases where a foul fly ball is caught or not caught.
5) Cases when an umpire clearly errs in judgment because they did not see the ball dropped or juggled after making a tag or force.
6) Spectator interference plays.
7) Balks called by an umpire who clearly did not realize the pitcher’s foot was off the rubber.
D) Umpires are not to seek help on plays which they are 100% confident in their judgment and view of the play. Head coaches are not entitled to a second opinion when the calling umpire is certain his decision is correct. On the other hand, and contrary to past practice, umpires are not to “die with a call” in cases where a) the calling umpire is not 100% certain he is right; and b) another umpire has additional information which could lead to a proper ruling. Both NCAA philosophy and umpire integrity – consistent with NCAA rules – dictate that calls be reversed in this situation.
E) Skipped, tells how to conference.
F) Judgment calls, which have traditionally not been subject to reversal include: steal and other tag plays (except if the ball is dropped without the umpire’s knowledge as discussed above); force plays (when the ball is not dropped and foot is not pulled); balls and strikes (other than check swings). This practice shall continue. Also, some calls cannot be reversed without creating larger problems. An example is a “catch/no catch” with multiple runners.

Nice post, has nothing at all to do w/ the subject.

"I wrote a bunch of ****e, I mean a bunch of ****e, 1,200 pages of ****e and everyone claimed I was a god." Tolstoy on War and Peace

[Justme]

Originally posted by etihwsamoht

Nice post, has nothing at all to do w/ the subject.

"I wrote a bunch of ****e, I mean a bunch of ****e, 1,200 pages of ****e and everyone claimed I was a god." Tolstoy on War and Peace

Thomas:

Let's see.... the original subject (before you hijacked the thread) was getting the call right..... I merely offered the NCAA's guidance on the subject for my fellow umpires to review..

I guess that it would have interested you more IF I insulted others, as you do, but that's generally not my desire.......

If I inadvertently insulted others of you out there, as I have Thomas White, by offering this "long winded" NCAA guidance for getting the call right I apologize.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally posted by NSump
I have no idea who Windy is. however, if you are going to call him a liar, please provide the proof.

NSump,

Windy and WhatWuzThatBlue are the same person. Thomas has a bit of a problem with WWTB, so he thought it would be funny to take a really old thread, open it up, and insult WWTB.

We all need to check the dates on these threads, as Tommy is dredging up threads that are 4 and 5 years old.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

If you notice, SDS, I didn't address him. As I said a long time ago, some of you may just be surprised that this smartaleck has been around the block a time or two. I just felt no need to rehash my experience with someone who has none.

I do enjoy seeing that I was granted "guest" status though. Some of my old posts actually make me smile in retrospect. They make me look far more intelligent than my wife gives me credit. I should print some of them and maybe she won't think the UPS man is so hot!

[NSump]

Originally posted by etihwsamoht

If you don't even know who the **** he is, how am I supposed to provide proof he is a lair?

Duhh..........

OK butthead, here is how it works. Try to follow along.

To prove he is lying, you provide proof. That would include a name of who Windy is and proof that he didn't work AA. Either that or slither back to McGriff's. Now I see why I don't read the Forum too often.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Justme,

I found your post about the NCAA Division 1 Championship Manual very interesting. That is exactly the type of thing which is welcome here.

Where can I find this entire manual online? Can you post a link for me? I am building a pretty nice .pdf collection of manuals and articles, and would like to add this one to my database.

[Justme]

Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve
Justme,

I found your post about the NCAA Division 1 Championship Manual very interesting. That is exactly the type of thing which is welcome here.

Where can I find this entire manual online? Can you post a link for me? I am building a pretty nice .pdf collection of manuals and articles, and would like to add this one to my database.

Here it is

http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/cham...reviewState=0.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Thanks Justme,

I enjoy reading things like this. Especially 6.4 where it says that white stripes are permitted on shoes!

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

I could delve into the mire with you but we've already covered that the 2005 NCAA D1 Championship instructions to umpires is vastly different than what some assignors allow for seasonal contests. What color jersey do they permit?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally posted by WhatWuzThatBlue
I could delve into the mire with you but we've already covered that the 2005 NCAA D1 Championship instructions to umpires is vastly different than what some assignors allow for seasonal contests. What color jersey do they permit?

Navy with red or navy t-shirt or turtleneck (crew must match.)

Lt. Blue with navy t-shirt or turtleneck.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

Yep, that's the same dress code I stated when we were talking about wearing black, white, yellow, and polka dot. My assignors want those blue shirts and sage grey (not heather grey) with all black shoes.

[Edited by WhatWuzThatBlue on Dec 13th, 2005 at 10:00 PM]