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[JRutledge]

[His High Holiness]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WindyCityBlue

I donÂ’t need to use this Board to leverage my assignments or further my career. Apparently, you did - that says far more about your talent than mine. I earn my games every time I go onto the field. As you indicated, words are never proof of oneÂ’s abilities.

Oh, so you are satisfied with where you are. Have you worked in MLB? Have you worked the CWS? Have you done an NCAA regional? Except for the top MLB guys, we can all move up a notch or two. If you are satisfied with where you are, then you are on your way down. Words are not proof of one's abilities but they might get you noticed so that you get a chance to prove your abilities.


Oh, youÂ’ve got to be kidding. You know this from your time at Pro School? Joe Brinkman used to love quizzing us on rules - which inherently lead to situation discussions.
It is damn near impossible to separate the two, genius! How often have you seen a member ask for a ruling - ONLY A RULING - without a situational discussion ensuing? IsnÂ’t that the same number of times as youÂ’ve worked an NCAA D-1 playoff game.

Yes, I have been to pro-school - Wendelstedt. I doubt that you have done any D1 playoff games, either. Until you come forward with a date and place, you are just an unnamed source like the one that provided Dan Rather with those so called original documents.


Is that more a** kissing? “The number one rules differences expert in the world” - even Bob Jenkins showed the Wizard that he was clueless with regards to the OBR ruling for this case. Several others have come forward to offer the same input.

So what, did Bob or anyone else provide any enlightenment that would help an umpire in a real game. It matters not where the information came from, only what the correct ruling is. The correct ruling is that a glove with a ball lodged in it can be tossed to first in MLB and NCAA but not FED. We knew that a week ago, thanks to Carl. All the rest of the posts were history lessons and entertainment but that had absolutely no relevance to real umpires working real games. Nerds track rules endlessly. Nerds are necesary to keep computers running and rules interpretations up to date but I would rather use a computer and umpire real baseball. Thanks to the nerds, I do not need to endlessly pick at rules.


When someone says “in summation” or “finally” they usually don’t have another paragraph follow it, but you said that your terrific writing skills led to being noticed. I can only imagine the baseball talent, if this was your strength. You’ve started a battle that you can’t possibly win. You’ve made several assumptions that you’ll never be able to prove. In addition, several of the things you’ve claimed have come back around and bitten you.

It's the ideas, not how they are expressed that are the most important. In my paid writings, I take time to edit them. I do not bother with that here except if an idea is misstated. I got noticed for the ideas, not my writing skills. I was not interviewing for a job as editor, but rather as a job as umpire.


If I want a baseball related answer, I will talk with one of my regular partners first. I trust the guys that take the field with me. If we cannot come to an agreement, I can always call an NCAA or IHSA rules interpreters. MLB.com has served me well with OBR questions and I own a copy of J/R (although I donÂ’t use it very often). If IÂ’m still stumped, I still have enough friends in FitzÂ’s office to get the job done. IÂ’ve never come here to resolve a baseball question.

I work with the top umpires in the DC area. They have worked NCAA regionals and yet Carl's answers have proved more accurate than the ones that they provide for exceedingly knotty problems. Carl has the history, the contacts, and the notes going back decades. No one else has that information for OBR, NCAA, and FED combined.

Our Virginia state interpreter is worse than useless when it comes to providing interpretations and it would appear that your Illinois intepreter blew a rule as well. Like it or not, unless Carl is wrong, your Illinois guy got the lodged ball problem wrong.

Windy, you are wannabe umpire that has fooled us for a long time. You hang around with the right guys and regurgitate what they tell you. You probably buy drinks for the pro umpires that come through town and pump them for information. You have provided us no proof that you are anything but a FED/JUCO umpire.

You mentioned your contacts in MLB. Lots of umpires have contacts in MLB. Tee, himself, has contacts in MLB that he can call on to find out the latest inside scoop. That does not make you anything more than a wannabe or umpire groupie.

Without a name, you have no credibility. You have made up reasons that you do not give us a name but they are undoubtably a lie. If we knew who you were, we would find out that you have grossly exaggerated your resume.

Peter

[His High Holiness]

Originally posted by JRutledge

Rut;

"Just watching" and I will bet that you are loving every minute of it. See what I mean about Internet umpiring being great entertainment.

Peter

[JRutledge]

This is getting good.



Peace

[LMan]

can you pass over some of that popcorn? Thanks! *g*

[WindyCityBlue]

Oh, so you are satisfied with where you are. Have you worked in MLB? Have you worked the CWS? Have you done an NCAA regional? Except for the top MLB guys, we can all move up a notch or two. If you are satisfied with where you are, then you are on your way down. Words are not proof of one's abilities but they might get you noticed so that you get a chance to prove your abilities.

You should read your last line again. I have never been given an assignment because of my words. Judging from the quality of your writing, I hope that Freshman game was every thing you hoped.

You are not sharp enough to get me to reveal exactly where and what I worked. Suffice to say, if you don’t believe that I have not achieved your exalted level of umpiring, I will not lose a minute of sleep. As a matter of fact, I like having you think otherwise. It will only serve my purposes when you get made to look like an a** by a “wannabe”.
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Yes, I have been to pro-school - Wendelstedt. I doubt that you have done any D1 playoff games, either. Until you come forward with a date and place, you are just an unnamed source like the one that provided Dan Rather with those so called original documents.

For many months now, I have said B-F (Brinkman & Froemming) and pointed out that Joe Brinkman and Bruce Froemming are far more versed than Jim Evans or Harry Wendlstedt. You really should read more closely. In fact, I believe the last post contained an allusion to my mentor.
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So what, did Bob or anyone else provide any enlightenment that would help an umpire in a real game. It matters not where the information came from, only what the correct ruling is. The correct ruling is that a glove with a ball lodged in it can be tossed to first in MLB and NCAA but not FED. We knew that a week ago, thanks to Carl. All the rest of the posts were history lessons and entertainment but that had absolutely no relevance to real umpires working real games. Nerds track rules endlessly. Nerds are necesary to keep computers running and rules interpretations up to date but I would rather use a computer and umpire real baseball. Thanks to the nerds, I do not need to endlessly pick at rules.

I choose to use my computer for fun. Are YOU having fun yet? BTW “necesary” isn’t a word, “necessary” is. Keep up the good work, it is entertaining.
Bob pointed out that Carl was wrong. Carl said that there was no official ruling for MLB and several others supported Bob. IÂ’ve never seen Bob Jenkins pick a battle here. He simply stated the facts. In your state, you may the call this way. IÂ’ve been told otherwise and know that if this play ever occurs, the coaches will defer to my judgement. Since there is no appeal process here and our state interpreters seem to let logic prevail, I doubt this will be an issue.
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It's the ideas, not how they are expressed that are the most important. In my paid writings, I take time to edit them. I do not bother with that here except if an idea is misstated. I got noticed for the ideas, not my writing skills. I was not interviewing for a job as editor, but rather as a job as umpire.

ItÂ’s too bad youÂ’ve failed miserably at both.
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I work with the top umpires in the DC area. They have worked NCAA regionals and yet Carl's answers have proved more accurate than the ones that they provide for exceedingly knotty problems.

I would choose better partners. It sounds to me like youÂ’re bringing sand to the beach.
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Carl has the history, the contacts, and the notes going back decades. No one else has that information for OBR, NCAA, and FED combined.

And...he knows which wine goes with fish, he doesnÂ’t snore and he smells good, too.

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Our Virginia state interpreter is worse than useless when it comes to providing interpretations and it would appear that your Illinois intepreter blew a rule as well. Like it or not, unless Carl is wrong, your Illinois guy got the lodged ball problem wrong.

“Intepreter”, you say, maybe that’s the problem, I’be been asking teh “interpreter” for a ruling.

No, our Illinois Interpreters (plural) actuallyrefer to this play that came up a few years ago in our State Championship. They realized the folly of the call and have taken up the cause of getting it changed. You had an extensive thread that indicated how many state associations are letting certain things slide. (Dugout extensions, official baseballs, mercy rule, etc.) Must we revisit this mess or or you willing to admit that certain governing bodies allow for different interpretations and rigor of rules.

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Windy, you are wannabe umpire that has fooled us for a long time. You hang around with the right guys and regurgitate what they tell you. You probably buy drinks for the pro umpires that come through town and pump them for information. You have provided us no proof that you are anything but a FED/JUCO umpire.

Actually, I have to sleep with them in order to get the information. (They are very secretive about mechanics and rulings!) It is more than amusing that you are consumed with discrediting me. Assume what you wish. I will continue to add to conversations and point out the mistakes in interpretations and logic as I see fit. Much like the Lone Ranger, IÂ’m not seeking fame from my postings. Only a handful of people know my identity and all of those are amused. They, too are hoping to break into the big time - Virginia and DC ball!
TheyÂ’ve already seen that no matter how hard you try to impress and how inept your attempt to reason, you can get an assignment near our nationÂ’s Capitol.

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You mentioned your contacts in MLB. Lots of umpires have contacts in MLB. Tee, himself, has contacts in MLB that he can call on to find out the latest inside scoop. That does not make you anything more than a wannabe or umpire groupie.

Actually it makes me someone who got a paycheck from them for several years and left on good terms. I never claimed exclusivity to this club, but weÂ’ve already learned of your reading disability.

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Without a name, you have no credibility. You have made up reasons that you do not give us a name but they are undoubtably a lie. If we knew who you were, we would find out that you have grossly exaggerated your resume.

Is “undoubtably” a word in your state? Easy...count to ten and then hit yourself in the head with something hard. When Rut would chide you for losing your writing job, I didn’t know what to believe. The fog has lifted.

When I close my eyes at night, I can dream of the things IÂ’ve done and places IÂ’ve worked. You can only dream to be there some day.

From your words, I take it that you are an atheist. Otherwise believing in something, without proof, is what most of us do everyday. It must be lonely in your world.

[mick]

That last WindyCityBlue post is so difficult to follow.
I can't tell who said what, or who wrote what....
I just can't tell the players without a program

Oh, my!

My popcorn's gone anyway.

[GarthB]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mick
That last WindyCityBlue post is so difficult to follow.

Apparently he doesn't know how to manipulate the "quote" feature.


I can't tell who said what, or who wrote what....

Yes, it is confusing.

I just can't tell the players without a program

Should we tell him how it works?

[Carl Childress]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GarthB

Originally posted by mick
That last WindyCityBlue post is so difficult to follow.

Apparently he doesn't know how to manipulate the "quote" feature.


I can't tell who said what, or who wrote what....

Yes, it is confusing.

I just can't tell the players without a program

Should we tell him how it works?

NO. Let him call Joe Brinkman.

[David B]

I'm just waiting on WCB's book to come out - interpretations included. I'm sure then his resume would be on the prologue etc.,

Then we will have the real scoop ...

Pass me a DPepper please.

Thanks
David

[Edited by David B on Sep 18th, 2004 at 08:53 AM]

[GarthB]

Originally posted by David B
I'm just waiting on WCB's book to come out - interpretations included. I'm sure then his resume would be on the proglogue etc.,

Then we will have the real scoop ...

Pass me a DPepper please.

Thanks
David

I'll handle this one, Carl.


That's Dr Pepper. With no period.

[David B]

Originally posted by GarthB

I'll handle this one, Carl.


That's Dr Pepper. With no period.

Hey, that's my shorthand. I guess I should have called it the 10/4/2 for my drink of choice.

Do notice though there was no period.

Thanks
David

[Bob Lyle]

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Oh, so you are satisfied with where you are. Have you worked in MLB? Have you worked the CWS? Have you done an NCAA regional? Except for the top MLB guys, we can all move up a notch or two. If you are satisfied with where you are, then you are on your way down. Words are not proof of one's abilities but they might get you noticed so that you get a chance to prove your abilities.

You should read your last line again. I have never been given an assignment because of my words. Judging from the quality of your writing, I hope that Freshman game was every thing you hoped.

You are not sharp enough to get me to reveal exactly where and what I worked. Suffice to say, if you don’t believe that I have not achieved your exalted level of umpiring, I will not lose a minute of sleep. As a matter of fact, I like having you think otherwise. It will only serve my purposes when you get made to look like an a** by a “wannabe”.
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Yes, I have been to pro-school - Wendelstedt. I doubt that you have done any D1 playoff games, either. Until you come forward with a date and place, you are just an unnamed source like the one that provided Dan Rather with those so called original documents.

For many months now, I have said B-F (Brinkman & Froemming) and pointed out that Joe Brinkman and Bruce Froemming are far more versed than Jim Evans or Harry Wendlstedt. You really should read more closely. In fact, I believe the last post contained an allusion to my mentor.
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So what, did Bob or anyone else provide any enlightenment that would help an umpire in a real game. It matters not where the information came from, only what the correct ruling is. The correct ruling is that a glove with a ball lodged in it can be tossed to first in MLB and NCAA but not FED. We knew that a week ago, thanks to Carl. All the rest of the posts were history lessons and entertainment but that had absolutely no relevance to real umpires working real games. Nerds track rules endlessly. Nerds are necesary to keep computers running and rules interpretations up to date but I would rather use a computer and umpire real baseball. Thanks to the nerds, I do not need to endlessly pick at rules.

I choose to use my computer for fun. Are YOU having fun yet? BTW “necesary” isn’t a word, “necessary” is. Keep up the good work, it is entertaining.
Bob pointed out that Carl was wrong. Carl said that there was no official ruling for MLB and several others supported Bob. IÂ’ve never seen Bob Jenkins pick a battle here. He simply stated the facts. In your state, you may the call this way. IÂ’ve been told otherwise and know that if this play ever occurs, the coaches will defer to my judgement. Since there is no appeal process here and our state interpreters seem to let logic prevail, I doubt this will be an issue.
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It's the ideas, not how they are expressed that are the most important. In my paid writings, I take time to edit them. I do not bother with that here except if an idea is misstated. I got noticed for the ideas, not my writing skills. I was not interviewing for a job as editor, but rather as a job as umpire.

ItÂ’s too bad youÂ’ve failed miserably at both.
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I work with the top umpires in the DC area. They have worked NCAA regionals and yet Carl's answers have proved more accurate than the ones that they provide for exceedingly knotty problems.

I would choose better partners. It sounds to me like youÂ’re bringing sand to the beach.
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Carl has the history, the contacts, and the notes going back decades. No one else has that information for OBR, NCAA, and FED combined.

And...he knows which wine goes with fish, he doesnÂ’t snore and he smells good, too.

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Our Virginia state interpreter is worse than useless when it comes to providing interpretations and it would appear that your Illinois intepreter blew a rule as well. Like it or not, unless Carl is wrong, your Illinois guy got the lodged ball problem wrong.

“Intepreter”, you say, maybe that’s the problem, I’be been asking teh “interpreter” for a ruling.

No, our Illinois Interpreters (plural) actuallyrefer to this play that came up a few years ago in our State Championship. They realized the folly of the call and have taken up the cause of getting it changed. You had an extensive thread that indicated how many state associations are letting certain things slide. (Dugout extensions, official baseballs, mercy rule, etc.) Must we revisit this mess or or you willing to admit that certain governing bodies allow for different interpretations and rigor of rules.

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Windy, you are wannabe umpire that has fooled us for a long time. You hang around with the right guys and regurgitate what they tell you. You probably buy drinks for the pro umpires that come through town and pump them for information. You have provided us no proof that you are anything but a FED/JUCO umpire.

Actually, I have to sleep with them in order to get the information. (They are very secretive about mechanics and rulings!) It is more than amusing that you are consumed with discrediting me. Assume what you wish. I will continue to add to conversations and point out the mistakes in interpretations and logic as I see fit. Much like the Lone Ranger, IÂ’m not seeking fame from my postings. Only a handful of people know my identity and all of those are amused. They, too are hoping to break into the big time - Virginia and DC ball!
TheyÂ’ve already seen that no matter how hard you try to impress and how inept your attempt to reason, you can get an assignment near our nationÂ’s Capitol.

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You mentioned your contacts in MLB. Lots of umpires have contacts in MLB. Tee, himself, has contacts in MLB that he can call on to find out the latest inside scoop. That does not make you anything more than a wannabe or umpire groupie.

Actually it makes me someone who got a paycheck from them for several years and left on good terms. I never claimed exclusivity to this club, but weÂ’ve already learned of your reading disability.

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Without a name, you have no credibility. You have made up reasons that you do not give us a name but they are undoubtably a lie. If we knew who you were, we would find out that you have grossly exaggerated your resume.

Is “undoubtably” a word in your state? Easy...count to ten and then hit yourself in the head with something hard. When Rut would chide you for losing your writing job, I didn’t know what to believe. The fog has lifted.

When I close my eyes at night, I can dream of the things IÂ’ve done and places IÂ’ve worked. You can only dream to be there some day.

From your words, I take it that you are an atheist. Otherwise believing in something, without proof, is what most of us do everyday. It must be lonely in your world.

Windy, this is not up to your standards. You have numerous errors in your writing and they are not just typing errors, either. The logic and form are totally missing, and judging by the responses, I am not the only one who finds it difficult to comprehend.

You better join HHH in atheism. With an attitude like yours, God won't want want you around and we all know what that means.

[Carl Childress]

Originally posted by David B

Hey, that's my shorthand. I guess I should have called it the 10/4/2 for my drink of choice.

Do notice though there was no period.

Thanks
David

David: Pay attention! We play in B-flat here. It's 10-2 and 4. Is everybody in Mississippi dyslexic? (grin)

[mick]

Originally posted by GarthB
Should we tell him how it works?

Garth,
Uh, no....
I think he's a smart guy and can figger that out ... already.
mick