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Sun May 09, 2004, 12:46pm
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What LL is really about...
This is LL, we should be aware of the parents. LL is for learning not winning. Winning is secondary unless you are in the World Series. LL is for teaching CHILDREN how to be upstanding and fair young men and women, how to be gratious in defeat and humble in victory. If a parent of fan is exhibiting unacceptable behavior they need to be taken care of immediately, they should know better. And the other parents should tell them to grow up or they are just as bad.
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Mon May 10, 2004, 08:51am
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I appreciate all the good comment. I understand the point about not allowing the coach to 'manipulate' the sit by constantly complaining about the pitcher's mannerisms, but I also see the learning point for the player in that, since he would be called for a balk sometime in future (if he continued to pitch as he got older) for doing that, then LL was a good place/time to get out of the habit of putting his pitching hand to his mouth while on the rubber. From time to time I have corrected players at the plate for *nearly* doing illegal things (foot out of the box, etc) before they actually drew a penalty, reasoning that LL is the place to learn how to do it right more than ring kids up right and left....now if they do it anyway after a warning, thats a different story.
Ive been involved in LL in my town for about 5 years and this is actually the first time Ive seen a spec/parent this unruly, so hopefully it was an isolated event. It did stick in my mind enough that I asked for input from your experiences, and I appreciate the feedback.
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Mon May 10, 2004, 12:06pm
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Little League is about winning
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1. LL is about parents living out their dreams through their children. 2. LL is about coaches living out their dreams of greatness through the kids. Winning is the primary goal so that the coach can be selected for the AllStar team and have a shot at the LLWS. Why else would the coach with the best record be selected for the AllStar team? 3. LL is about learning how to cheat and not get caught. That is very useful in preparing for the SAT's and other college admission obstacle courses. The best cheaters get to be the executives of large corporations. 4. LL is about learning the nasty lessons of life such as losing is only for inferior human beings and losers deserve to be humiliated. 5. LL is about learning to disrespect umpires and other authority figures. What planet are you from anyway that you don't know the true goals of LL? Sounds like you believe that communist propaganda that LL puts out. Peter
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Mon May 10, 2004, 03:09pm
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ALL fans, from BOTH sides, belong to game management. If that's the home coach, great. If that's a neutral party, great. But a coach is not responsible just based on which team a fan is rooting for.
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Mon May 10, 2004, 05:12pm
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Thank you, someone finally echoes me.
COACHES ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PARENTS. Coaches have enough to worry about on the field, and according to rule 3.14 or 3.15 or something..... players, coaches, etc are not to leave the field of play during a game. They put in the time and effort, and if a grown person cannot control themselves, then why is it the fault of the person that has put countless hours into helping the kids learn the game of baseball? It is ludacris to toss a skipper for a parent that is out of control. What if the parent is someone who just came to watch the game for fun? How do you know what side they belong to?
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Mon May 10, 2004, 08:24pm
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Re: Little League is about winning
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1. LL is about parents living out their dreams through their children. 2. LL is about coaches living out their dreams of greatness through the kids. Winning is the primary goal so that the coach can be selected for the AllStar team and have a shot at the LLWS. Why else would the coach with the best record be selected for the AllStar team? 3. LL is about learning how to cheat and not get caught. That is very useful in preparing for the SAT's and other college admission obstacle courses. The best cheaters get to be the executives of large corporations. 4. LL is about learning the nasty lessons of life such as losing is only for inferior human beings and losers deserve to be humiliated. 5. LL is about learning to disrespect umpires and other authority figures. What planet are you from anyway that you don't know the true goals of LL? Sounds like you believe that communist propaganda that LL puts out. [/B][/QUOTE] Ok, up to number two your right. But besides that, you don't what your talking about. Since when do you want kids disrespecting authority figures, cheating on tests, and just playing to win and not having fun? If you haven't noticed, all the "big cheaters" in the "large corporations" have been arrested. The point of playing baseball is to have fun. Yes, it's great when you win, but the best part is getting out there and playing the game. -John
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Mon May 10, 2004, 09:49pm
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Mon May 10, 2004, 09:54pm
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I especially find #5 to be very true in all summer ball. Why else is the umpire always to blame for a close loss, but you never see the umpire mentioned when they win. Just reading this board and see ing all of the comments about coaches (which most are from summer leagues) is enough to give merit to that statement. If a coach has respect for the umpires, then his players do. When the coach has none, then the players will follow suit. Thanks David
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Tue May 11, 2004, 01:15am
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David,
That is the best response I have ever read from you on this board. After 8 years of umpiring I have chosen to give it up......my only reason for umpiring in the first place was because it would force me to fine tune my knowledge of the rules and I felt that umpiring would help me become a better coach, when my kids were old enough to play. Well, they're old enough now and on the top of my list as a coach is to teach the kids not only to have respect for the game but also respect for the umpires as well. IMHO, I think every coach should be REQUIRED to umpire at least 5 high school games (at all levels) so they can see what it's like to make an instant decision on a close play, be the scape goat when a team loses, make a mistake, etc.
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Wed May 12, 2004, 11:50am
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I owe my baseball life to little league. It was at this level that I learned the fundamentals of the game. Also, I learned a love for the game. I do not umpire LL, so I am not able to comment on your rules, but some of us ex-LLer's gained a lifelong appreciation for the game. I cherish my three years of LL and owe my LL coach a great deal.
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