Youth baseball - intentional walks fair?

[GarthB]

Originally posted by GarthB

And would you favor us mere mortals by telling us exactly what this relatioship is?

Wow. The silence is deafening.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally posted by polyck
I don't recall who responded with "kids should be give tennis rackets...." - but wasn't that comment a bit out of line..

I do appreciate those of you who submitted opinions as it related to my question. But some of the comments and opinions were harsh and frankly down right cruel. The fact that some of these kids put everything they have into the game of baseball and for someone to invalidate what they bring to the game is sad...Whether the player's age is 11 or 40 all they want is an umpire who is fair and consistent. The players at this level don't get paid, but they know the umpires do so give em' break.

have a great weekend and don't forget if you are officiating this weekend it's just a game to the players and they're out there for the thrill not the money.

Thank you so much for your penetrating insight. Yes, we're all just money grubbing whores, but now that you've been involved in the great game for, what, a couple of years, you're here to set us all straight.

You know, you shouldn't ask a question if you're not prepared to deal with the answers you're likely to get.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Dave Hensley

Thank you so much for your penetrating insight. Yes, we're all just money grubbing whores, but now that you've been involved in the great game for, what, a couple of years, you're here to set us all straight.

You know, you shouldn't ask a question if you're not prepared to deal with the answers you're likely to get.

Out of line? Nonsense. What's out of line is thinking that an 11-year-old is something special compared to the rest of the kids playing. If the coaches want to walk him, then they should. It's a team sport.

But I *am* a money grubbing whore, I guess. I umpire for money and tonight I worked my 18th and 19th games. I'm excited because once I hit game 22 I'll break even with my expenses (gear, clothing, dues, etc.) and can actually put some of the money in the bank. I wonder how many players spend as much as I do in order to play.

[DG]

I was curious, so I just counted mine up and I did 36 and 37 today, and considering equipment, dues, and especially travel, I consider the money I make BEER money. I always love to hear "with the money we are paying...". I don't toss as often as some folks on this forum, but one of mine from 2 years ago came after these words were spoken. Of course these were not the first words in this discussion.

[Rich]

Originally posted by DG
I was curious, so I just counted mine up and I did 36 and 37 today, and considering equipment, dues, and especially travel, I consider the money I make BEER money. I always love to hear "with the money we are paying...". I don't toss as often as some folks on this forum, but one of mine from 2 years ago came after these words were spoken. Of course these were not the first words in this discussion.

36 and 37? You either don't live in the north or play with the orange ball in the snow

20 and 21 today. D-III doubleheader that took only 4:45 to complete, for which I am thankful.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

36 and 37? You either don't live in the north or play with the orange ball in the snow

20 and 21 today. D-III doubleheader that took only 4:45 to complete, for which I am thankful.

I finished #35 today, if I counted correctly, and I don't live that far south of you.

[DG]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

36 and 37? You either don't live in the north or play with the orange ball in the snow

20 and 21 today. D-III doubleheader that took only 4:45 to complete, for which I am thankful.

No, I am not in the North. I did my first game on Feb 20, and I remember it being cool that night (ie jacket, gloves, etc.), but the double header on the next day was quite nice.

[Rich]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

I finished #35 today, if I counted correctly, and I don't live that far south of you.

Maybe you're a whore

Actually, I started on March 31, so I don't know how much of a headstart you had -- come to think of it, I lost a week-and-a-half due to business travel, so I'd probably have 7-10 more too.

How was the weather last night? We used about a ton of diamond dry and managed to get 2 in, although I think everyone would've been better served by rescheduling. But I worked the bases the first game, so I kept quiet and let the plate guy decide to keep going.

--Rich

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
Maybe you're a whore

Actually, I started on March 31, so I don't know how much of a headstart you had -- come to think of it, I lost a week-and-a-half due to business travel, so I'd probably have 7-10 more too.

How was the weather last night? We used about a ton of diamond dry and managed to get 2 in, although I think everyone would've been better served by rescheduling. But I worked the bases the first game, so I kept quiet and let the plate guy decide to keep going.

--Rich

Friday was one of my two scheduled off days in April (the other was Easter Sunday, and I had one rain out and one scheduling snafu where 3 umpires showed up -- I left).

My season started March 23, but I only had three games in March.

[polyck]

WOW!! Where did this all come from?

To Rich:

I was not setting anyone straight and if you consider yourselves money grubbing whores then so be it. After reading the opinions of those who had something valid to add and those individuals who added no value, I pretty much just considered the source! Just for your info - I have been in this now for over 20 years - every once in a while I do come across those officials who don't know when it's time to call it a day.

Unlike you, I don't need to tell someone how many games I've done in a day nor do they need to know what I do with my money.

Just be fair - I like you expect managers, coaches and spectators of the game to play by the rules, why aren't they entitled to receive it from those officiating the game?

I am not here to tell anyone what to do or to set anyone straight I asked a question, for some reason some felt the need to take it to a whole other level. It wasn't personal.


Sarcasm at its best:

Comments from Rich Fronheiser:

Thank you so much for your penetrating insight. Yes, we're all just money grubbing whores, but now that you've been involved in the great game for, what, a couple of years, you're here to set us all straight.

You know, you shouldn't ask a question if you're not prepared to deal with the answers you're likely to get

[Dave Hensley]

Originally posted by polyck
WOW!! Where did this all come from?

It came from your rather amusing and at the same time irritating blend of ignorance and arrogance in coming to an umpires forum to float your trial balloon for outlawing intentional walks for super talented 12 yearolds.

And while Rich and I gave you very similar responses, you quoted me when you addressed Rich.

[polyck]

Dave GROW UP!!!!

So let me first say that Rich I do apologize that I only put your name it was suppose to include your partner Dave.

Rich actually piggy backed off of your opinion and he had the same comments...the two of you must be a class act. While reading another topic and finding out that Rich has no children certainly explains a lot about him.

Not everyone out there consider themselves "whores" as you so eloquently call yourselves.

IT WAS A QUESTION PEOPLE - SO MANY OF YOU PUT SO MUCH MORE INTO THIS THAN IT NEEDED.

MY ASKING FOR AN OPINION IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE GUY WHO ASKED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED DURING HIS SON'S TEE BALL GAME.

BUT HERE AGAIN I AM JUST CONSIDERING THE SOURCE - YOUR RESPONSE WAS SOMETHING A 6 YEAR OLD MIGHT COME UP WITH.

BETWEEN YOU AND RICH YOUR COMMENTS SEEMED OUT OF LINE AND INAPPROPRIATE AT BEST.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally posted by polyck
Dave GROW UP!!!!

So let me first say that Rich I do apologize that I only put your name it was suppose to include your partner Dave.

Rich actually piggy backed off of your opinion and he had the same comments...the two of you must be a class act. While reading another topic and finding out that Rich has no children certainly explains a lot about him.

Not everyone out there consider themselves "whores" as you so eloquently call yourselves.

IT WAS A QUESTION PEOPLE - SO MANY OF YOU PUT SO MUCH MORE INTO THIS THAN IT NEEDED.

MY ASKING FOR AN OPINION IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE GUY WHO ASKED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED DURING HIS SON'S TEE BALL GAME.

BUT HERE AGAIN I AM JUST CONSIDERING THE SOURCE - YOUR RESPONSE WAS SOMETHING A 6 YEAR OLD MIGHT COME UP WITH.

BETWEEN YOU AND RICH YOUR COMMENTS SEEMED OUT OF LINE AND INAPPROPRIATE AT BEST.

Stop shouting, it's rude.

[polyck]

David Hensley..

My intent was to shout and if you don't like - DEAL WITH IT? But I'm glad you finally got the point...

[Dave Hensley]

Originally posted by polyck
David Hensley..

My intent was to shout and if you don't like - DEAL WITH IT? But I'm glad you finally got the point...

I did deal with it. I told you to stop because it's rude.