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attempt to bunt
Now on a batted ball with a swing, intent is more plainly interpreted. On a bunt, since by definition, there is no swing, the batter is simply holding the bat in the path of the ball, if the batter stays squared and the bat is in the bunting position, ie. not pulled back, how is there not intent to bunt? The bat is held out for the purpose of bunting. That is intent to me. You had the bat in a position to hit the ball. You missed the ball. I see a strike.
I mean this sincerely, please explain how that is wrong? How about this? While squared to bunt, if the batter shows evidence that he is tracking the path of the ball, and this continues until the ball arrives at the plate, then there is an obvious effort to bunt the ball. If he does not track the pitch, such as in the case of a pitch in the dirt mentioned earlier, then there is clearly no intent to bunt the ball. Simply holding the bat over the plate is not, in and of itself, an attempt to bunt the ball. Or if he begins to track the pitch, but then clearly abandons this effort before the ball reaches the plate, then it is not an attempt to bunt. He could abandon the effort by pulling the bat back, but if the pitch is very low or very high, simply stopping the movement of the bat at, say, waist height, would be a clear indication that he is not trying to bunt the ball. The point is, it is not the position of the bat but the actions of the batter that determine whether it is an attempt to bunt the ball or not. Does that make sense? [Edited by YoungRighty on Apr 19th, 2004 at 09:36 AM]
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Mon Apr 19, 2004, 08:37am
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why not?
Would you care to elaborate?
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CASE 7.2.1B, last sentences: "In bunting, any movement of the bat toward the ball when the ball is over or near the plate area, is a strike. The mere holding of the bat in the strike zone is not an attempt to bunt."
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The most common instance I can think of where the batter tries to bunt, leaves the bat out there, but is clearly not trying to hit the ball is when the pitch comes inside and the batter has to bail. He's abandoned trying to hit the ball, but the bat remains over the plate - this is not a strike.
In MLB, most hitters WILL try to pull back when they've decided not to try to bunt the ball ... but this doesn't mean they are REQUIRED to.
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Mon Apr 19, 2004, 09:50am
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kaliix
[B] "it's a strike if ..."a pitch is struck at and missed."" Now on a batted ball with a swing, intent is more plainly interpreted. On a bunt, since by definition, there is no swing, the batter is simply holding the bat in the path of the ball, if the batter stays squared and the bat is in the bunting position, ie. not pulled back, how is there not intent to bunt? The bat is held out for the purpose of bunting. That is intent to me. You had the bat in a position to hit the ball. You missed the ball. I see a strike. I mean this sincerely, please explain how that is wrong? [QUOTE] Unless the batter were to square and place the bat at the exact spot where the ball will come (in which case the bat would make contact with the ball), the batter would have to move the bat to "strike at" (ie bunt) the ball.
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Mon Apr 19, 2004, 09:54am
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I see a one-word response from you ("No.") six minutes prior to my citation (a response I agree with), but I don't see any citation from you. Lah, you.
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Mon Apr 19, 2004, 10:06am
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what you have to look for is movement of the bat toward the ball, this is intent. The act of squaring to bunt does not constitute intent.
Had a weird situation Sat in a tournament. Inside and high, ball hits butt of bat as kid is trying to get out of the way, ball rolls toward mound. I bounce out and signal fair. NOONE REACTS. I stand there waiting for defensive player to pick up ball and tag batter. Batter stands in box. Finally pitcher (who has alittle sense) picks up ball and tags batter. I bang him. Offensive coach looks at me puzzled. He says to me "how was I supposed to know it was fair?". I told him I gave the nonverbal fair ball signal.
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Mon Apr 19, 2004, 01:06pm
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Bob,
Thank you! As a new umpire, all I have is the NFHS Rule book and my own understanding of baseball, however misguided it is now looking to be. I was scouring the rule book trying to find some guidance on that particular situation and I didn't find any. I don't have a case book (and perhaps I should) to look at, so your help is much appreciated. I stand corrected. Quote:
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Mon Apr 19, 2004, 08:19pm
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YoungRighty, I believe what your asking the umpire to do besides watching for motion by the bat, along with looking at the location of the pitch, is track the batter tracking the ball? WOW
I CAN'T DO THAT. One eye on the ball, one eye on the bat and one.........oops ran out of eyes. Cyclops, where are you now?
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