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shipwreck Sat Jul 30, 2016 09:17pm

MLB screw up
 
Just watching Royals versus Rangers. Ranger player hits a pop up 12" foul where the fielder touches it and then it lands fair. Originally called a foul ball, but after umpires conferred, called it a fair ball. How is this possible? Does MLB have some strange rule?

bob jenkins Sun Jul 31, 2016 07:11am

MLB (and NCAA) does NOT have the "once called foul it must remain foul" rule like FED does (that is, they have instances where there this is NOT true). Beyond that, we'd need a better description or video.

asdf Sun Jul 31, 2016 07:51am

PU declares the ball foul... However he is standing to the left of the catcher, who is standing to the foul side of the foul line..... U3 is straddling the foul line with a perfect view of the ball versus foul line.....

Camera angle and angle of the PU are not reliable in this situation.

shipwreck Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:34am

I am not buying into the camera angle theory. You look where his feet are positioned in comparison to the chalk line. The ball clearly was touched in foul territory.

asdf Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:41am

Its not a theory. it's fact....

someone looking straight down the line as U3 was has a better look than where the PU was.....


As far as the camera angle goes..... The camera is not looking straight down the line and the view is distorted. Same as a look at the strike zone from the outfield camera.

Ump29 Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 989510)
I am not buying into the camera angle theory. You look where his feet are positioned in comparison to the chalk line. The ball clearly was touched in foul territory.

His feet have nothing to do with fair/foul.

umpjim Sun Jul 31, 2016 01:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 989510)
I am not buying into the camera angle theory. You look where his feet are positioned in comparison to the chalk line. The ball clearly was touched in foul territory.

While the ball may have been touched in foul territory, U3 judged part of it was over fair territory when touched.

Cécile Sun Jul 31, 2016 02:04pm

Sorry to cut into the debate and bother you with newbie basic questions but what's the difference between MLB, FED and NCAA ?

bob jenkins Sun Jul 31, 2016 02:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cécile (Post 989515)
Sorry to cut into the debate and bother you with newbie basic questions but what's the difference between MLB, FED and NCAA ?

MLB: Major League Baseball. Uses OBR -- Official Baseball Rules. oBR is also the basis for many youth leagues in the US (which generally use "OBR, except as follows...." type rules)

NCAA: Colleges in the US

FED: (most) High Schools in the US

Cécile Sun Jul 31, 2016 02:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 989516)
MLB: Major League Baseball. Uses OBR -- Official Baseball Rules. oBR is also the basis for many youth leagues in the US (which generally use "OBR, except as follows...." type rules)

NCAA: Colleges in the US

FED: (most) High Schools in the US

Thank You !

shipwreck Sun Jul 31, 2016 04:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ump29 (Post 989513)
His feet have nothing to do with fair/foul.

I know THAT. I was just saying if you can't trust camera angles, look where his feet were and his glove was directly above his feet. Ball was touched in foul territory the way it appeared.

umpjim Sun Jul 31, 2016 05:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 989518)
I know THAT. I was just saying if you can't trust camera angles, look where his feet were and his glove was directly above his feet. Ball was touched in foul territory the way it appeared.

His glove was not directly above his feet:https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H...JV-8p_GD9=s159

This screen shot is just after the ball hit the glove.

"Lurker"77 Sun Jul 31, 2016 05:49pm

Had to fight a bit to grab one too, but here's a different angle as well . . .

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0B...=w1285-h655-no

umpjim Sun Jul 31, 2016 06:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Lurker"77 (Post 989520)
Had to fight a bit to grab one too, but here's a different angle as well . . .

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0B...=w1285-h655-no

Kudos for a much better grab.

asdf Sun Jul 31, 2016 08:05pm

and more proof that U3 had the best look


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