The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
A Way to Look at "Travelling" A Way to Look at "Travelling"
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
Page 1 of 2 1 2
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:52pm
This IS My Social Life
  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at L, T, or C
Posts: 2,379
A Way to Look at "Travelling"
Ran across this today. Got me to thinking. Have you heard of this before? Is this a valid perspective? Is there any merit to looking at it like this?

"Look at TRAVELLING not so much an error made by a weak athlete, as a mistake forced by a strong defense."

Seems to open up, for discussion purposes at least, a topic or two that might be worth exploring.

Anybody currently use this manner of thinking on the subject?
__________________
Making Every Effort to Be in the Right Place at the Right Time, Looking at the Right Thing to Make the Right Call
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Sun Sep 23, 2012, 04:02pm
This IS My Social Life
  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at L, T, or C
Posts: 2,379
A Step or Two Further on the Topic . . .
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddy View Post
"Look at TRAVELLING not so much an error made by a weak athlete, as a mistake forced by a strong defense."
If accepted as valid . . .
A. Might this prompt us to pass on the "ticky-tac" travelling calls that really don't impact play in any significant way?
B. Might this way of thinking be more in according with"officiating the defense"?
C. Might this especially reward the defense for good, pressure play?
D. Would this prompt us to, for sure, catch those travelling violations that would otherwise result in a real advantage over the defense?
E. Could this manner of thinking cause us to miss calls we really should be getting?

Your comment/input/critique invited as I ruminate over this concept.
__________________
Making Every Effort to Be in the Right Place at the Right Time, Looking at the Right Thing to Make the Right Call
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Sun Sep 23, 2012, 05:50pm
We don't rent pigs
  
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 7,627
I think I speak for us all when I say: "What the hell?"
__________________
I swear, Gus, you'd argue with a possum.
It'd be easier than arguing with you, Woodrow.


Lonesome Dove
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Sun Sep 23, 2012, 08:11pm
Do not give a damn!!
  
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 30,540
I have never heard this statement before and honestly not sure what the point of this statement is in the first place. I just want to call the obvious ones, not the ones were I have to look at slow motion replay to tell if it actually was a travel.

Peace
__________________
Let us get into "Good Trouble."
-----------------------------------------------------------
Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Sun Sep 23, 2012, 08:25pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
  
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
I agree with Jeff. It seems like some grand philosophical point that means nothing. It could be used to justify any number of poor officiating philosophies.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:35pm
I miss being on the floor
  
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Hartford, WI
Posts: 917
Sounds like a point that belongs at a coaching clinic.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:52pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 14,616
I have one way of looking at traveling...which foot is the pivot?
__________________
"...as cool as the other side of the pillow." - Stuart Scott

"You should never be proud of doing the right thing." - Dean Smith
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:57am
This IS My Social Life
  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at L, T, or C
Posts: 2,379
Nolo Contendere
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddy View Post
If accepted as valid . . .
I appreciate and agree with the responses, except maybe the first one.
This concept is not really valid. Too complex an idea to be of any real, practical use.
Thanx for the reactions.
__________________
Making Every Effort to Be in the Right Place at the Right Time, Looking at the Right Thing to Make the Right Call
Last edited by Freddy; Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 07:30am.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:46am
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,183
Quote:
Originally Posted by BktBallRef View Post
I have one way of looking at traveling...which foot is the pivot?
AND did the player have possession during that time.

So many times guys call a travel based on the excess movement of the feet, with no look (backs & butts) at the status of the ball.
__________________
I gotta new attitude!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:29am
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Mid-Hudson valley, New York
Posts: 751
Send a message via AIM to Lotto
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddy View Post
"Look at TRAVELLING not so much an error made by a weak athlete, as a mistake forced by a strong defense."
My philosophy: Look at TRAVELLING as occurring when a player holding the ball moves a foot or both feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits described in Rule 4-72 of the 2011-13 NCAA rulebook.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:18am
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
  
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by tref View Post
AND did the player have possession during that time.

So many times guys call a travel based on the excess movement of the feet, with no look (backs & butts) at the status of the ball.
This is a good point, and I'll add that so many coaches start screaming based on the same thing; especially when a player doesn't catch the ball upon first contact while he's running.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:36pm
Esteemed Forum Member
  
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,310
Travellin' Man ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam View Post
Many coaches start screaming based on the same thing; especially when a player doesn't catch the ball upon first contact while he's running.
They confuse a catch with a touch.
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

“I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36)
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Mon Sep 24, 2012, 01:44pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,183
Definitions
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac View Post
They confuse a catch with a touch.
And sometimes a touch with a catch. Ie; tapping an offensive rebound into the b/c.
__________________
I gotta new attitude!
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:59pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 14,616
Quote:
Originally Posted by tref View Post
AND did the player have possession during that time.

So many times guys call a travel based on the excess movement of the feet, with no look (backs & butts) at the status of the ball.
If he isn't holding the ball, there is no pivot foot.
__________________
"...as cool as the other side of the pillow." - Stuart Scott

"You should never be proud of doing the right thing." - Dean Smith
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:14pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,183
You know that, I know that, BillyMac knows that, but there are some new officials out there too. Your reply could've been misinterpreted by a lesser experienced official.

The point (and not directed to you) was, don't call travels based soley on the movement of the feet when you can't see the ball.
__________________
I gotta new attitude!
Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Bookmarks

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NHSF "intentional" vs NCAA "flagarent" terminology Duffman Basketball 17 Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:15pm
Is "the patient whistle" and "possession consequence" ruining the game? fiasco Basketball 46 Fri Dec 02, 2011 08:43am
ABC's "Nightline" examines "worst calls ever" tonight pizanno Basketball 27 Fri Jul 04, 2008 06:08am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:59pm.

The Official Forum - Archive - Top


Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1