Question from Missouri

[budjones05]

Hey, I went to the Warrensburg Rule Meeting and I was wondering if you can help me understand some of the new rules.

1. If a illegal uniform is found, the starting 5 gets one t each. Any sub that enters, they will be hit with a T as well. Does this mean that each time the same sub comes in and then comes out gets a T?

[Jurassic Referee]

Penalized one time for each starter and substitute as per NFHS 10-3-2PENALTY. Must be discovered before the ball becomes live.

See Situation #2 on the 2007-08 Interpretations on the FED web site.

[brandan89]

The other night I worked a game where we started with 5 technical fouls due to illegal uniforms. Throughout the game there were 5 more due to subs with illegal uniforms. 10 technical fouls total. Rule clinic was less than a week ago, so Im not sure what the coach was doing?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by brandan89

The other night I worked a game where we started with 5 technical fouls due to illegal uniforms. Throughout the game there were 5 more due to subs with illegal uniforms. 10 technical fouls total. Rule clinic was less than a week ago, so Im not sure what the coach was doing?

What level ball was this?

[brandan89]

Varsity

[truerookie]

If you are an official living in Missouri and you are issuing out Technicals for illegal uniforms you are WRONG!!!

The state have put out their guidance on how to handle the uniform issue.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by brandan89

The other night I worked a game where we started with 5 technical fouls due to illegal uniforms. Throughout the game there were 5 more due to subs with illegal uniforms. 10 technical fouls total. Rule clinic was less than a week ago, so Im not sure what the coach was doing?

So, you issue out all of the technicals so the head coach was ejected before the game got started right?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

So, you issue out all of the technicals so the head coach was ejected before the game got started right?

Say what?

Coach's aren't assessed technical fouls for player technical fouls unless they're bench technical fouls. These aren't. They're listed under rule 10-3.

Gotta know these perfectly......

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Say what?

Coach's don't assessed technical fouls for player technical fouls unless they're bench technical fouls. These aren't. They're listed under rule 10-3.

Gotta know these perfectly......

Correct, I don't know what I was thinking at the time.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Say what?

Coach's aren't assessed technical fouls for player technical fouls unless they're bench technical fouls.

Isn't it impossible for a player technical to be a bench technical? This being the case since players on the bench, by definition, are not players at all but substitutes. Or is there some situation where the two may somehow overlap?

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Penalized one time for each starter and substitute as per NFHS 10-3-2PENALTY. Must be discovered before the ball becomes live.

See Situation #2 on the 2007-08 Interpretations on the FED web site.

Question regarding this. When it says “Must be discovered before the ball becomes live”, what would be the case if the five starters with illegal uniforms enter the court for the tip-off and the officials don’t notice that the uniforms are illegal before the toss. The ball is then tossed and becomes live and then play goes on for a while. During the next dead ball an official then notices that the uniforms are illegal. At this point can the ref asses the technicals to the five starters or has that time come and gone. To summarize my question, is there a statue of limitations to enforcing this rule? Can the penalty only be carried out if discovered during the first dead ball that the player(s) enter the court?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Vinski

Question regarding this. When it says “Must be discovered before the ball becomes live”, what would be the case if the five starters with illegal uniforms enter the court for the tip-off and the officials don’t notice that the uniforms are illegal before the toss. The ball is then tossed and becomes live and then play goes on for a while. During the next dead ball an official then notices that the uniforms are illegal. At this point can the ref asses the technicals to the five starters or has that time come and gone. To summarize my question, is there a statue of limitations to enforcing this rule? Can the penalty only be carried out if discovered during the first dead ball that the player(s) enter the court?

It's only penalized when the player enters the game. So, in your example, the starters would not be penalized until they left the game and then returned. If they never return, they are not penalized.

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's only penalized when the player enters the game. So, in your example, the starters would not be penalized until they left the game and then returned. If they never return, they are not penalized.

I see (I think). So, would it be safe to say that a player can only be penalized for the illegal uniform when discovered upon entry onto the court during a dead ball or start of the game/OT, not just any dead ball period? And only once per player, of course.

Originally Posted by budjones05

Hey, I went to the Warrensburg Rule Meeting and I was wondering if you can help me understand some of the new rules.

1. If a illegal uniform is found, the starting 5 gets one t each. Any sub that enters, they will be hit with a T as well. Does this mean that each time the same sub comes in and then comes out gets a T?

Only penalized once per player. Note: Kansas has set aside that rule as too onerous and instead has implemented a "One T" rule. One team technical for all violations. Better check with MSHSAA to make sure they are not following suit.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Only penalized once per player. Note: Kansas has set aside that rule as too onerous and instead has implemented a "One T" rule. One team technical for all violations. Better check with MSHSAA to make sure they are not following suit.

"following suit" HAHAHAHA - is this the "pun" thread?