Over and Back???

[cmathews]

Ok kids here we go.... Discussion at our association meeting tonite... A1 brings the ball up the court throws a long pass (from the back court) , intended for A2. A pass that is gonna be close to an alley oop. A2 misses the ball it hits the back board and bounces back to A1 who is the first to touch it in the back court. Do we have a violation?

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by cmathews
Ok kids here we go.... Discussion at our association meeting tonite... A1 brings the ball up the court throws a long pass (from the back court) , intended for A2. A pass that is gonna be close to an alley oop. A2 misses the ball it hits the back board and bounces back to A1 who is the first to touch it in the back court. Do we have a violation?

Basketball Rules Fundamentals, #19 says the backboard is treated the same as the floor, except the THROWER'S backboard does not constitute a part of a dribble.

The debate hinges on this being or not being a try. I'd say it's not, so a backcourt violation would occur. 4.4.4 is the closest caseplay I've found and that deals with the ball striking an official and going back to the player, and an official...like the backboard...is part of the floor.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by cmathews
Ok kids here we go.... Discussion at our association meeting tonite... A1 brings the ball up the court throws a long pass (from the back court) , intended for A2. A pass that is gonna be close to an alley oop. A2 misses the ball it hits the back board and bounces back to A1 who is the first to touch it in the back court. Do we have a violation?

If it's "close to an alley oop" and it hits the backboard, that's good enough for me. I'm calling it a "try", followed by no backcourt violation. If the player hadda line-drived it at the board, I mighta thought about it- but I also might give him the benefit of the doubt on that one too. Have to see that one, though.

[bgtg19]

Originally posted by cmathews
A1 brings the ball up the court throws a long pass (from the back court) , intended for A2.

You said it: A1 threw a "long pass." Since team control remains with Team A on a pass, and since the backboard is treated as the frontcourt floor, you have a violation here when A1 catches the pass in the backcourt.

[cmathews]

ok, this is pretty much the debate we had at our meeting. All of the above are good points and at one time or another, I have agreed with all of them. I personally would tend to argue JR's point a little stronger than the rest. Here is another point I think should be brought up and see what effect it has on the discussion.

There has been lots of discussion before about "passing" the ball to yourself off of your own backboard. If you hold to the theory that it is legal to end your dribble in the front court, throw it off of your backboard catch it and then continue the dribble, then I ask this.

If I remember correctly the theory was that, this is legal based on the fact that player and team control end during a try, and if it hits the glass it "is" a try. If my recollection is correct, and I am sure I will be corrected if it isn't, then, isn't this the same situation just from a different area of the court?

ok continue as you were LOL

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

If it's "close to an alley oop" and it hits the backboard, that's good enough for me. I'm calling it a "try", followed by no backcourt violation. If the player hadda line-drived it at the board, I mighta thought about it- but I also might give him the benefit of the doubt on that one too. Have to see that one, though.

The force required to make it back to A1 in the back court would be a "try" that was a brick of Great Wall of China proportions.

[tjones1]

Wouldn't 9-2 prevent this from happening--therefore be a violation?

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by tjones1
Wouldn't 9-2 prevent this from happening--therefore be a violation?

What does throw in provisions have to do with this play?

[tjones1]

Thanks blind .... let's try this again...

9-9-2

[Edited by tjones1 on Jan 11th, 2005 at 04:12 PM]

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by tjones1
Thanks blind .... let's try this again...

9-9-2

[Edited by tjones1 on Jan 11th, 2005 at 04:12 PM]

As W C Fields said,"I'm looking for a loop hole."

That could be our ruling, but does that consider a loss of team control which would result from a "try"?

[tjones1]

I'm thinking this has to be what they are talking about. What other way could the ball go back into the backcourt besides striking as official which that is covered in 4.4.4 like you said earlier???

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by tjones1
I'm thinking this has to be what they are talking about. What other way could the ball go back into the backcourt besides striking as official which that is covered in 4.4.4 like you said earlier???

A1 gets trapped right by the division line in the back court and wraps a pass around a defender to A2 who is also in the BC. The pass lands in the FC and goes to A2.

[Edited by blindzebra on Jan 12th, 2005 at 12:52 AM]

[tjones1]

[tjones1]

Ball went to the frontcourt, returned to the backcourt withouth it touching a player. 9-9-2 Violation

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by tjones1
Ball went to the frontcourt, returned to the backcourt withouth it touching a player. 9-9-2 Violation

On a try off the backboard too?