Brain Tease

[mikesears]

3/35 from the A-15. Team A comes to the line and snaps it to the QB (A1) who is in shotgun formation. A1 quick punts and it is blocked behind the neutral zone by B1. A1 then goes after the ball and recovers it on his knees at the A-10.

Results of play, and clock status please.

[mcrowder]

Guessing, since I'm an NCAA guy, and my entire knowledge of FED is from reading you guys' posts.

4th and 40 from the 10, clock never should have stopped, so it continues running.

Again - just guessing.

[Hand Signals]

I would have to agree. 4th & 40, clock running.

[Edited by Hand Signals on Sep 27th, 2004 at 01:03 PM]

[KWH]

Originally posted by mikesears
3/35 from the A-15. Team A comes to the line and snaps it to the QB (A1) who is in shotgun formation. A1 quick punts and it is blocked behind the neutral zone by B1. A1 then goes after the ball and recovers it on his knees at the A-10.

Results of play, and clock status please.

Result of play is:
4th and 40 from the A-10
Clock status is: Still running as it should have never been stopped!

[mikesears]

Originally posted by KWH

Result of play is:
4th and 40 from the A-10
Clock status is: Still running as it should have never been stopped!

Should have known I couldn't stump you guys. NCAA, it WOULD have stopped and been started on the snap, right?

[KWH]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mikesears

Should have known I couldn't stump you guys. NCAA, it WOULD have stopped and been started on the snap, right?

I am not aware of any (rule difference) reason as to why this situation would be any different under NCAA rules.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by mikesears
3/35 from the A-15. Team A comes to the line and snaps it to the QB (A1) who is in shotgun formation. A1 quick punts and it is blocked behind the neutral zone by B1. A1 then goes after the ball and recovers it on his knees at the A-10.

Results of play, and clock status please.

4th and 40 from the 10, clock never stopped.

In league where only 3 downs are played, it is unlikely to see a quick kick, but nonetheless, the ruling is:

Distance not gained - B 1D/10 @ A-10. Clock stopped on the whistle, clock starts on teh RFP prior to the 3MW, and the snap after the 3MW.

[mcrowder]

No, no need to stop the clock on this play in NCAA either.

[SouthGARef]

Hmmm...

4th & 40... clock running.

[jimbulger1]

i read it wrong i thought he said blocked in the back>>>>> behind the neatral zone whoops


[Edited by jimbulger1 on Sep 27th, 2004 at 04:24 PM]

[biglaz]

Originally posted by jimbulger1
wait a second.......

a's intent is a to kick the ball away
did b block in the back before the kick or during???
if before i agree on 4th and 40
if after the kick has crossed the expanded neutral zone how is this different than a 4th down PSK foul....just because it is third down??? i dont think you would penalize different

if its after the kick has crossed the expanded neutral zone I say 1st down and 10 ball spotted 10 yards behind where the kick ended.... clock starts on snap

There was no block in the back. B blocked the kick. Though you might want to also review the definition of PSK

[biglaz]

Nevermind me then, you fixed it too quickly

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by mikesears

Should have known I couldn't stump you guys. NCAA, it WOULD have stopped and been started on the snap, right?

lol Mike, to be honest that was an easy one, gotta try harder next time

[Patton]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by biglaz
[B]

Originally posted by jimbulger1

There was no block in the back. B blocked the kick. Though you might want to also review the definition of PSK

No PSK since the ball never crossed the expanded neutral zone, but then again no PSK since there was no penalty on the original play either.

[mikesears]

Originally posted by mcrowder
No, no need to stop the clock on this play in NCAA either.

Wasn't this a legal kick and doesn't the clock start on the snap after a legal kick?

NCAA Rule 3-2d.

[Edited by mikesears on Sep 28th, 2004 at 08:26 AM]