Two- or Three- Point FGA per NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's Rules.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

The following play is from the Facebook group: NFHS – Basketball Officials. It was a video which cannot post here so I will describe the play for everyone.

Let me further state that the Play did not occur during a game but was a staged SITUATION and was posted for educational purposes.


1: A1 and A2 are both Standing in Team A’s Front Court.


2a: A1 is Standing in the Free Throw Semi-Circle (i.e. inside the Three-Point Arc) facing Team A’s Basket.

2b: A1 is Holding the Ball.


3: A2 is Standing outside of the Three-Point Arc.


4: A1 jumps as if to Attempt a 2-Pt. FGA.


5: A2 runs toward A1 and jumps toward A1 from outside the Three-Point Arc.


6a: While A1 is Airborne and before A1 can release the Ball for a 2-Pt. FGA, A2 while still Airborne takes the Ball from A1’s hands and releases the Ball toward Team A’s Basket.

6b: The Ball goes through the Basket.


Is A2’s FGA a: i) successful 2-Pt. FGA or ii) successful 3-Pt. FGA?


I know that the probability of this Play ever happening is barely above zero, but I believe that is a great example of the need to know the most important Rule in the Rules Book: Rule Four, Definitions.

I have asked for a RULING per NFHS and NCAA Men’s/Women’s Rules and I already know my RULING and I also know how I would Rule per FIBA and NBA/WNBA Rules. So let’s have some off-season fun.


MTD, Sr.

[Robert Goodman]

I'd go off-rulebook and award 100 points plus anyone in the gym to take home as a one-off sex partner, willing or unwilling.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

...a great example of the need to know the most important Rule in the Rules Book: Rule Four, Definitions.

It's not a waste of time to try to interpret this play.

Extreme situations will always test one's knowledge of rule definitions.

NFHS 4-4-3: A ball which is in flight retains the same location as when it was last in contact with a player or the court.

NFHS 5-2-1: A successful try, tap or thrown ball from the field by a player who is located behind the team’s own 19-foot, 9-inch arc counts three points.

NFHS 4-35-1: The location of a player or non-player is determined by where the person is touching the floor as far as being: c. Outside (behind/beyond) or inside the three-point field-goal line.

NFHS 4-35-3: The location of an airborne player with reference to the three factors of Article 1 is the same as at the time such player was last in contact with the floor or an extension of the floor, such as a bleacher.

Treat it as a pass, a hand off pass, and count it as three points.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It's not a waste of time to try to interpret this play.

Extreme situations will always test one's knowledge of rule definitions.

NFHS 4-4-3: A ball which is in flight retains the same location as when it was last in contact with a player or the court.

NFHS 5-2-1: A successful try, tap or thrown ball from the field by a player who is located behind the team’s own 19-foot, 9-inch arc counts three points.

NFHS 4-35-1: The location of a player or non-player is determined by where the person is touching the floor as far as being: c. Outside (behind/beyond) or inside the three-point field-goal line.

NFHS 4-35-3: The location of an airborne player with reference to the three factors of Article 1 is the same as at the time such player was last in contact with the floor or an extension of the floor, such as a bleacher.

Treat it as a pass, a hand off pass, and count it as three points.

Billy:

I thought this SITUATION would generate some discussion. You would have been surprised at the number of people that insisted that this was a 2-Pt. FGA!

MTD, Sr.

[Zoochy]

I saw the play on Facebook. I'd say it's a 3-point try. The player that released the ball for the Try originated from behind the 3 point line.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I saw the play on Facebook. I'd say it's a 3-point try. The player that released the ball for the Try originated from behind the 3 point line.

Zoochy had to see the video on Facebook to interpret it correctly.

He's from Missouri, the "Show Me State".

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Zoochy had to see the video on Facebook to interpret it correctly.

He's from Missouri, the "Show Me State".

Maybe the problem some have with this from the description is remembering that the ball was taken completely out of the hands of the player standing inside the arc before being flung at the goal. In their minds they see a player about to attempt a shot and then another player on that team somehow helping it toward the basket, without cognizing that there'd been a change in player possession of the ball. Once you answer, "Who had the ball last?" it's easy.

Either that or they interpret the second player as having been supported off the floor by the first. the ball being part of the "pyramid".

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Either that or they interpret the second player as having been supported off the floor by the first. the ball being part of the "pyramid".

That could be construed as illegal.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That could be construed as illegal.

10-4-6-E: Player Technical: A player must not: Climbing on or lifting a teammate to secure greater height.

If two players (climber and climbee) both actively participate in such, who gets the technical foul, or technical fouls?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The following play is from the Facebook group: NFHS – Basketball Officials. It was a video which cannot post here so I will describe the play for everyone.

Let me further state that the Play did not occur during a game but was a staged SITUATION and was posted for educational purposes.


1: A1 and A2 are both Standing in Team A’s Front Court.


2a: A1 is Standing in the Free Throw Semi-Circle (i.e. inside the Three-Point Arc) facing Team A’s Basket.

2b: A1 is Holding the Ball.


3: A2 is Standing outside of the Three-Point Arc.


4: A1 jumps as if to Attempt a 2-Pt. FGA.


5: A2 runs toward A1 and jumps toward A1 from outside the Three-Point Arc.


6a: While A1 is Airborne and before A1 can release the Ball for a 2-Pt. FGA, A2 while still Airborne takes the Ball from A1’s hands and releases the Ball toward Team A’s Basket.

6b: The Ball goes through the Basket.


Is A2’s FGA a: i) successful 2-Pt. FGA or ii) successful 3-Pt. FGA?


I know that the probability of this Play ever happening is barely above zero, but I believe that is a great example of the need to know the most important Rule in the Rules Book: Rule Four, Definitions.

I have asked for a RULING per NFHS and NCAA Men’s/Women’s Rules and I already know my RULING and I also know how I would Rule per FIBA and NBA/WNBA Rules. So let’s have some off-season fun.


MTD, Sr.

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Maybe the problem some have with this from the description is remembering that the ball was taken completely out of the hands of the player standing inside the arc before being flung at the goal. In their minds they see a player about to attempt a shot and then another player on that team somehow helping it toward the basket, without cognizing that there'd been a change in player possession of the ball. Once you answer, "Who had the ball last?" it's easy.

Either that or they interpret the second player as having been supported off the floor by the first. the ball being part of the "pyramid".

Robert:

Please see my Item 6a in my original comment. A1 was Airborne not Standing when A2 took the Ball from his hands.

MTD, Sr.