Is this a do over?

[rbruno]

Team A scores and is down by 1 point at the end of the game. Team B calls time with 3 secs on the clock. The ball is inbounded in the backcourt but the timer fails to start the clock. Team B coach is screaming that the clock did not start. The officials blow it dead. The trail tells the new lead that he reached two on his backcourt count before the whistle blew everything dead. They decide to replay the throw in with 3 seconds on the clock. Is this the correct way to handle this? Could they have used the trail's count and put one second on the clock and inbound where the POI was on the whistle?

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by rbruno

Team A scores and is down by 1 point at the end of the game. Team B calls time with 3 secs on the clock. The ball is inbounded in the backcourt but the timer fails to start the clock. Team B coach is screaming that the clock did not start. The officials blow it dead. The trail tells the new lead that he reached two on his backcourt count before the whistle blew everything dead. They decide to replay the throw in with 3 seconds on the clock. Is this the correct way to handle this? Could they have used the trail's count and put one second on the clock and inbound where the POI was on the whistle?

It was handled incorrectly. The trail's count of 2 is definite knowledge of time ran off the clock. If the count was at 2, then they should reset the clock to 1 second, and resume play from the POI.

[ChuckS]

This sounds like "definite knowledge", so I would say inbound with 1 second left.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rbruno

Team A scores and is down by 1 point at the end of the game. Team B calls time with 3 secs on the clock. The ball is inbounded in the backcourt but the timer fails to start the clock. Team B coach is screaming that the clock did not start. The officials blow it dead. The trail tells the new lead that he reached two on his backcourt count before the whistle blew everything dead. They decide to replay the throw in with 3 seconds on the clock. Is this the correct way to handle this? Could they have used the trail's count and put one second on the clock and inbound where the POI was on the whistle?

The other posters are correct. About five years ago the NFHS officials manual contained a statement that that are no do-overs in high school basketball. Timing errors occur and officials need to know the rules for how to deal with them.

[BryanV21]

If there are less than 10 seconds in the game do you even have a backcourt count?

FYI, I don't have one in those situations, but should I in case something like this happens?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If there are less than 10 seconds in the game do you even have a backcourt count?

FYI, I don't have one in those situations, but should I in case something like this happens?

You don't have a "backcourt" count, but you should have a count -- as should all officials near the end of every period.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You don't have a "backcourt" count, but you should have a count -- as should all officials near the end of every period.

So what would you do in that situation? A count like during a free throw. Just checking to see what would need to be done to have "definite knowledge".

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

So what would you do in that situation? A count like during a free throw. Just checking to see what would need to be done to have "definite knowledge".

I would count the same as closely-guarded. I would want it to be as visible as possible on any video.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If there are less than 10 seconds in the game do you even have a backcourt count?

FYI, I don't have one in those situations, but should I in case something like this happens?

I always do, for precisely this reason.

[just another ref]

If there were only 3 seconds and you're already at 2, I would say it's better to wait one more second and say game over than to blow it dead at this point.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If there were only 3 seconds and you're already at 2, I would say it's better to wait one more second and say game over than to blow it dead at this point.

If A1 is about to shoot, I'm ok with that. If he's watching the clock, kill it and restart with 1 second.

[RefLarry]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The other posters are correct. About five years ago the NFHS officials manual contained a statement that that are no do-overs in high school basketball. Timing errors occur and officials need to know the rules for how to deal with them.

To my knowledge the closest thing to a "do over" in high school basketball is explained here:

6.4.5 Situation B:

During an alternating-possession throw-in, thrower A1 holds the ball through the end-line plane and B1 grabs it, resulting in a held ball.

RULING: Since the throw-in had not ended and no violation occurred, it is still A's ball for an alternating-possession throw-in. (4-42-5).

[Nevadaref]

IMO a situation which looks like a do-over is an inadvertent whistle while a throw-in pass is in flight. Actually, anything which would warrant using POI in this situation.

[ODog]

If you knew you (or your partners) had a count going, would you even blow this play dead?

Team B has now been put at a disadvantage, forced to execute another throw-in, presumably still in its backcourt.

Just count it out, and when you don't hear a horn after your 3 seconds are up, blow the whistle and the game is over. Sure, Team B coach has another second or two of exasperated yelling, but when he realizes he's won, that'll dissipate rather quickly.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by ODog

If you knew you (or your partners) had a count going, would you even blow this play dead?

Wasn't there an extended thread about this issue a week or two ago?