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Old Thu Aug 14, 2003, 03:02pm
Warren Willson Warren Willson is offline
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Re: Continuing to expand the question

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Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
Your original question was stated as "barely missing 2nd on his way back."

Okay. Barely is likely close enough for me. I'm probably "not going to notice" that he slightly missed second and give the runner the benefit of the doubt.

However, based upon the ruling that you have given, the runner could return from two steps short of 3rd... across the pitcher's mound... and retouch 1st. Then accept his award of 3rd by advancing to 2nd and then to 3rd. If I understood correctly, this would be okay.

There is a large difference between trying to do things correctly (but failing slightly/barely) and intentionally doing things wrong. Would you still feel the runner is not in jeopardy for missing 2nd on his return if he cuts across the diamond?
No that runner cutting across the diamond would still be in jeopardy, Tony. Rich has it correct. According to the guideline, Last Time By cannot be used to correct a GROSS miss. I don't know the exact rule of thumb that the pro's use, but I'd suspect it would be similar to the neighbourhood play at 2nd - if the runner was close enough that he COULD have touched the base, but didn't, then LTB can be used to correct the error.

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Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
I also note that the ruling you quote does not make any mention of the runner not being in jeopardy of an appeal... It says that he can RETOUCH both bases (Well, of course) but does the use of the word "retouch" mean that he is not in jeopardy of an appeal for missing a base on his return trip to tag-up?
Yes, "retouch" was used in the sense of correcting the original error. The runner would no longer be in jeopardy from an appeal for that error at that base.

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