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Originally Posted by BillyMac
Officials are in charge at a scrimmage. If coaches want to change some rules, we can often work with them (don't shoot one and ones).
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They are not changing rules, it is their event. They can decide to have officials or not have officials. They can do whatever they wish at their event. I cannot speak for what happens here, but they can only play so many games during the year. For example the regular season does not start for the boys until next week. Anything this week is not a game or sanctioned in any way. I guess the IHSA could tell them how they run such an event, but it does not count so they do not care as along as they do not play another team. We are asked to participate and they decide to pay us and whomever we choose to show up for. Some assignors assign the officials, others have some official or coach asking guys to work the scrimmage. There is nothing to debate with them if they choose to run a single 10 minute quarter or just play on the half court.
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Originally Posted by BillyMac
But it two kids get involved with fight, and the coach convinces me not to disqualify them, and I comply with the coach, and the same two kids get in another fight (worst case scenario), with one the kids getting seriously hurt, then my lawyer is going to make a lot of money defending me in a lawsuit.
There is absolutely no way that I'm giving up my authority as an official in any type of assignment, like allowing a coach to convince me to allow a disqualified player from continuing to play. It's his practice, but it's my scrimmage.
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There is nothing to disqualify, it is a practice. If a fight happens during a practice, it is up to the school and the coach to decide what conduct rules are violated. The IHSA does not give us any authority during these events. It is just like a summer game, if there is a fight the IHSA does not set the standards for the rules over the summer.
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Originally Posted by BillyMac
Rotating officials in, and out, of a scrimmage has nothing to do with this debate. They are all basketball officials.
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OK and all events are not treated the same when it is outside of the prescribed rules of the event.
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Originally Posted by BillyMac
Here's the reason for this debate:
We live in two different worlds. Two experienced officials who have been around the block a few times, with two completely different experiences. The famous, or infamous, "When in Rome ..." situation.
But based on my experience as a basketball player, and as a middle school basketball coach, I still maintain that the same problems can occur in an intrasquad scrimmage, as an intersquad scrimmage.
Teammates can, and will fight. Usually it involves a girl.
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Honestly, I am really not debating anything with you. I was just saying I am glad we do not have intersquad scrimmages and do not deal with the issues I read or have read over the years on this site that take place during scrimmages. And it appears their is a lot of questioning on this site with things that happen as people have to come here to find out what they should do in a situation that does not count. All this talk about liability and control is flat out silly to me. If a coach asks me or anyone to show up to a practice (which happens a lot during college levels), no one is treating them like a real game on any level. I do not know what your coaching has to do with this conversation. It is clear what you might do and others might do, might not apply to every place. I am sure even some of the things you claim you find so important are not as important in other areas.
I also did not say that there cannot ever be problems in a in-team scrimmage. But I have yet in all my years in both football and basketball ever heard of the problems or issues I read on this site. Never had to throw anyone out or have a fight. Even when we do our job and call every foul and every penalty that occurs, the coach is right there to correct the situation. I have more issues in 7 on 7 or summer leagues where they are competing with another team and their is some "skin" in the game for the participants. There is no "skin" in the game during a scrimmage (here) because everyone knows what the other team is running on offense or defensive sets and coaches certainly do not want to get anyone hurt for when it starts for year. You guys just do it differently and I am glad I do not have to deal with that so I have to decide if someone is getting a flagrant foul or not.
The girls started on Monday and the boys start this coming Monday. Most games are tournaments and multiple games in a week so they are worried about competing against other teams, not trying to kill each other when most teams will play 4 or 5 games next week.
Peace