[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by agr8zebra

RKBUmp We had a meeting last Monday and this play brought up. I said the same thing, even went possible one step further, because the catcher was not playing on a runner and didn't return the ball to the pitcher, dead-ball , ball four put the batter on 1st.

Can you cite me a rule reference, can't seam to find one exactly, I can by inference, but there is on anal-retentive in our group that will balk and squeal until I find a reference.

Suggest you pick a rules-set to reference. The effect and ruling is different depending on which one you are asking about.