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Originally posted by Camron Rust
4C. Screens
- The screener must be stationary upon contact.
- It is not a moving screen unless there is contact.
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Assume what you like, but that is not what coaches mean, nor the way folks here have interpreted that phrase. I have never heard someone come here and ask, "what is the rule on moving screen?" and several official not make a point there is no such rule. Or at the very least, qualify what "moving screen" is or is not according to the rules. Stick around a while and some coach or fan will ask about "moving screens," and you will see how much the good folks here let that phrase go unanswered.
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
Further, I'd venture to say that 90% or more of the people on this board work HS ball (considering that a few coaches and fans are present). I'd also venture that less than 25% work any form of college.
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Well that is in interesting guess, but the post was about camp feedback, not the HS or College variety specifically. My state requires officials to go to camp for HS, but many are college oriented or have college evaluation aspects to them. I will assume that my state is in the minority based on what has been said here or other discussion boards. Because most here talk about going out of state or doing some travel to attend a camp of any kind. I might be wrong, but I have never traveled out of state to attend a camp to be evaluated for college. Some cases I just go to the heart of Chicago, across from U.S. Cellular Field and I am attending a basketball camp (two at that location this summer). I have already attended three camps, two of them had college assignors present. And the one camp that w_sohl posted about, is a HS camp run by a assignor that assigns a college conference as well. Two college assignors will be in attendance of this camp BTW.
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
The focus of the debate was on who was on the HS committee. That is who you asked about and what the breakdown was. Once you were disproven there, you attempted disparage the motives and quality of the members of the committee.
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Well Camron, I rarely attend HS only camps anymore, so if you want to tell me what I was talking about when I attend camp, that is fine. But then again, you can interpret them anyway you like. I stand by my comments about the things they come up with. I am not the only one and have no problem stating it. It is not like they are above critisim or being judged by the stuff they come up with. I have already had coaches and officials say, "why did the change that?" Or even better, "I wish they have never changed that?" Both those statements happen this summer alone. Matter of fact, this week.
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
Even if we consider the NCAA, your initial statement made no such claim. It was that non-officials are making the rules---to which I provided a clear counter example.
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Just because you are narrowly focused, do not blame me for it. I did not make a specific statement, I made a general one. That is what is mean by
committees. I officiate under the rules of 3 different committees. If you officiate under one, than I can see why you would only be thinking of one. But I do not, so I have to consider the rules from HS, Women and Men's Basketball.
I appreciate the time you have put in on this subject. I hope it was worth it and you are happy. Because now we can keep score, the NF has 9-2 in favor of the official. The NCAA Men's zero listed officials on their board. The NCAA Women's committee has 0 officials on the committee (at least listed). I think I saw Steve Palarmo (former MLB Umpire and I believe current Director of Umpires for the MLB) of MLB made the same claim about rules during the World Series last year, when Tim McCarver ripped an umpire for not ruling on something he thought should have resulted in an extra base. Palarmo said, "we do not make the rules, so you have this kind of confusion." You can say similar things in other sports like the NFL Competition Committee which has mostly coaches and Executives and creating rules like the "Tuck rule," but then complaining when the rule this body writes makes little or no sense. I could probably give many other examples, but you get the idea. If you do not, Oh well. Happy camping.
Peace