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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Intentional or flagrant WHAT? You leave out the important part!
How about a player deliberately tripping an opponent during a live ball with the only contact being shoe-to-shoe?
What exactly is the standard that you are using to make your decisions?
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The distinction is whether it is the contact that makes it a foul or some other element. In the shoelace example, they could touch the shoelace all day and it wouldn't be a foul of any kind. It is the intent of trying to untie is that becomes unsportsmanlike. The amount of contact just doesn't rise to the level of a contact foul...but it is unsportsmanlike.
In the the two-hand shove in the back case, it is the magnitude and type of contact that makes is an intentional/flagrant personal foul....the same points of contact with only very slight pressure wouldn't even be a foul.