you're right, the criteria is the same. Just never had it happen. But I did find a thread from 2008 (started by Mr. Rowe in fact) dealing with that exact thing.
My OP was really focusing on, who here feels the pitcher's action of bringing the ball to shoulder height constitutes a "play".
I think it does, two of my cyber-mentors seem to feel otherwise
To Cecil: For the sake of clarity, I do mean the
entire chain of events starting at :40