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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn
I know you're prone to stick with your opinion no matter what, but I must say I've never seen you this far out on a limb before. You keep relying on the "it's different in the pros" as if no one here has ever watched a game, but you've watched and officiated them all.
Truly, this argument is absurd. Show me (video or an article) a SINGLE instance of a player getting away with a 2-hand shove on an official without an ejection, (just ONE!!!) and there might be some credibility to your opinion here. I don't believe one exists. I KNOW I've seen ejections for FAR less player-official contact in the NFL, and yes, in the playoffs. Burden of proof is in your corner, Jeff... and your tried and true, "I don't have to convince you, I know I'm right" argument tactics won't work here.
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I did not realize I must agree with you in order to have a discussion on this or any other topic. Thanks for letting me know that someone states something here I must completely change my mind and invalidate my personal experience, what I have witnessed and what I have been directly involved in or what I have heard individuals that actualy work those levels have to say.
Once again I did not say that there was not a different standard at the levels you and I would work. But I do know of very different standards as to what would lead to an ejection if you change the circumstances. And maybe I have not seen a 2 handed push like that took place here, but I have seen individuals that would be ejected for stuff in my game, not have the same requirement in games I watch on TV. And once again, I was taught to not contact players the way these officials did in this situation for reasons of liablity and helping to escalate a conflict. That is OK with the NFL because they are all grown and any action is not under the same jurisdiction of liablity as everyone works for the same company. Players, officials and coaches are subjected to the overall organization and employees, while what we do are independent contractors working for a singular fee in our games. And all I am disagreeing with here is it is not an "automatic" as you state or it would have resulted in an ejection. Unless you are prevy to some communications with the NFL and their staff, you have little idea what might be discussed as other things have a philsophy. I know there is a standard or opinion about how holding is called and that standard does not necessarily come down to what we have been instructed at the HS level.
Sorry that what I say seems to absolutely offend you as you tend to troll around looking to make pot shots at me because I tend to take a more objective position then always assuming because I work HS and college that I know what NFL guys should be doing. It is much more complicated than that and once again, if it was a slam dunk ejection, why did the officials keep this player in the game? It is a simple question to answer. Better yet, why was their only offsetting penalties when I can tell you in my games there likely would have been more penalties involved with the multiple problems going on in that pushing match. Forget just what happen with the officials, what about all the players that continued without stopping? I do not work that level but I would assume there is some philosophy as to how those situations are to be handled. Was it handled properly at that level? I really do not know the answer. I just know that no one was ejected even with a "push" to an official. And having watched recent fights in the NBA and MLB, it is clear the officials are given different instructions how they put their hands on players to stop brawls.
Peace