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Originally posted by WestMichBlue
(1) "by the fielders actions, the appeal can be made " is called a "live ball appeal" (any fielder).
No. It is a live ball appeal because the ball is live! Both a request and an action is requred. The request can be either physical or verbal or both. The action must be physical (tag the base or the runner). If the player demands the ball and runs over and tags the base and looks at me, I can assume an appeal. I still prefer verbal "Blue, appealing that she left early" so I am not guessing intent.
(2) "verbally appealing" is called a "dead ball appeal" so obviously the ball must be dead (no outfielders).
Well - - - it a dead ball appeal because the ball is dead. No physical action is required, only a verbal request.
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In these, I was merely categorizing what he described, to help him with terminology. Maybe I should have said "is in the live ball appeal category or dead ball appeal category". Obviously, the diff is whether the ball is live or dead, and the actions are merely what the players do in each category.
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Originally posted by WestMichBlue
No, no, no. Read definition of appeal: "A play on which the umpire does not make a ruling unless requested by a coach or player. A causal or accidental tag IS NOT a request. NO request, you have NO ruling.
WMB
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ASA POE 1.B says "an appeal may be made during a live ball by any fielder in possession of the ball touching the base ... ". Why isn't that a request? We certainly treat it as such in most cases.
Thank you for the awakening and the coffee offer. I accept the interpretation by you and others and will wait for a signal or verbal request in the future, even though I personally don't find it in the books.